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edit UnNews:French corpse arrested for wearing burqa

I changed this headline to have fewer details and more news (= the arrest). Please let me go in and turn around the lede: The reaction is not the news, the news is the news, and in fact the arrest is the real news. Spıke Ѧ 11:22 3-Jun-15

Feel free to edit. I wanted the story to be about the shock of the French to find out that the Burqa was commonplace in their country in the past despite banning it for being allegedly not a French-thing recently. The arrest was an after-thought that naturally led on from the French being overly pedantic about following rules. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 11:32, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

I didn't take that away from the story at all! My hackles went up when the UnNews plunged into historical background. Let me see if I can ease the reader into your point. Spıke Ѧ 11:34 3-Jun-15

Yeah I must admit I wasn't happy with the way it came out. It was rather convoluted. Sometimes I have these ideas but lack the abilities to express them concisely. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 11:37, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I've done a job on it. Left in place are ze two paragraphs with ze stereotype of ze French accent and ze Inspector Clouseau (which, if the reader laughs, will not be your doing). I think these are distractions. See how the piece would read without those two paragraphs. Spıke Ѧ 11:45 3-Jun-15

Inspector Clouseau's accent was (in the original films at least, I haven't seen the American ones) ridiculous and hence he pronounces burqa as burger. The French do have a lot have hamburgers considering McDonalds is their most popular restaurant now, so I'm not sure your joke quite works there. Also you got rid of the cremation joke at the end :( . SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 12:25, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I did. What is its point? I must rewrite your McDonald's point, which you added in the form of polemic and not humor. Spıke Ѧ 12:42 3-Jun-15

Perhaps not something that occurs in your country where the death penalty is still in place however over here the newspapers are peppered with people telling us that hanging needs to be brought back because "prison's too good for them". That was the cremation joke. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 13:01, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

It is in place federally and in some states, though subject to mandatory review, but the debate remains alive, along similar lines. Ah! so cremation was not the joke at all. Spıke Ѧ 13:35 3-Jun-15

Well it feeds into the joke, what for a corpse would be worse than prison? Well not the death penalty because they are already dead, but people view cremation as something without the same sort of high status as burial (or perhaps that's just the British way of looking at it). SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 13:38, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

edit UnNews:Corbyn claws into Labour leadership contest

  1. It's spelled Sanders
  2. It's spelled Hillary
  3. Please try to write less overtly lovingly about socialists! Although, a discussion about the agony of choosing between actually believing in stuff and grabbing the nearest gimmick could inspire further comparisons to the US.
  4. The headline is ill-advised, as the comparison to Sanders, while a good comedy angle, is not the main point of the piece, though maybe it could be. Spıke Ѧ 15:57 15-Jun-15
Yeah I worked out I'd spelt them wrong.
"Please try to write less overtly lovingly about socialists!" That wasn't the intention of the article. Has it come across that way? It's supposed to show that he may claim he's the Socialist Mesiah like Sanders but in actual fact he's no better than the rest.
I do need to change the heading. It's not done yet. Just let me find an image. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 16:01, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
Renamed, UnNews:Corbyn claws into Labour leadership contest. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 16:08, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
Gahh! Massive edit conflict with you now. Thanks for the help though. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 16:15, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

"Candidate with ideals" sounded too laudatory in two places; I changed it to "candidate who believes in things." Spıke Ѧ 16:19 15-Jun-15

Yeah I agree, a better change. I was aiming for candidate was good because they stand for something, I was not aiming for candidate was good because they were more left but I realize my wording was ambiguous. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 16:21, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

However, yes things certainly are the same on both sides of the pond. Miz Hillary recently got off the fence on the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership (a permanent EU-like bureaucracy, dressed up for credulous Romneyites as "free trade" although Obama famously sat on several real trade treaties with South America), and Hillary's only criterion was whether to come down off the fence on the same or opposite side to Obama. She told supporters she would "rewrite the tax code" (though at most she would sign a bill, as she didn't rewrite anything even as Senator) to "reward work and investment" excepting only the treasonous tendency to deal with foreigners. Bernie will have fainted, but no one in the media will ask whether she can possibly want to reward work or investment, only whether this Gambit will be successful. Spıke Ѧ 17:10 15-Jun-15

Further developments to the Leadership contest have been either funny or unpredicted. Corbyn is predicted to get into the final round of the contest, a huge shift from the predictions a few days ago. The Conservatives have given unofficial support to Corbyn, announcing that they hope he gets in and Labour's chance of winning the next election goes beyond ruined. It turns out that it only takes £3 to sign up to the Labour Party thus the media is predicting a wave of right-wing voting "trolls" will join Labour and vote Corbyn in. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 13:16, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

Likewise, New Hampshire's "first-in-the-nation" Presidential election is an "open primary" where voters who decline to enroll as Republicans or Democrats can pick either ballot on Election Day and cast a sabotage vote. Most politicians are too eager to celebrate the franchise than to take obvious steps to ensure that it gives a result that is sensible for actual party members, such as doing anything about busloads of "voters" with Massachusetts license plates. Sanders is surging in the polls, as the figurehead of an anyone-but-Hillary movement. The difficulty of selling an overt socialist to Americans (versus the closet variety) is left for future work. Spıke Radiomicrophone13:35 18-Jun-15

"Most politicians are too eager to celebrate the franchise than to take obvious steps to ensure that it gives a result that is sensible for actual party members" I fear the UK has just discovered this and likely this will become a big thing in UK politics soon. Corbyn's got a little less trouble selling socialism over here as it's not so much of a dirty word. What I would find rather amusing is if the Tories plan to back Corbyn backfires on them and so - though an unlikely possibility - Corbyn gets in and for once leads the Labour Party into something coherent that stands for something and wins an election. Though this is unlikely with the surge to the right that the election showed. Labour are also doing a grand job of pissing off the far-left by blaming the Greens for taking away Labour votes in close seats that lost them the election. So I'm not too sure the average Green voter will be persuaded to support Labour even with Corbyn at the helm. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 13:44, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

The adversaries being "not-careful-enough about what they wish for" plus the backers getting a purer version of what they say they believe in and then wishing they hadn't — sounds like fodder for many future UnNews articles. Today's UnNews on the Cornish is excellent. ("Henchman" should be changed or explained.) But it breaks our delicate balance of five featured UnNewses written by five different guys. I may again expand the graphics to seven. Still waiting for Romartus or someone to shoop the Tenner on mine. Spıke Radiomicrophone13:51 18-Jun-15

That's not a new UnNews, excellent as it is. It's an old one I wrote a year ago. I was just enjoying re-reading it when I noticed a spelling error, hence the edit. Sorry about that. You'll need to take it off recent UnNews. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 14:04, June 18, 2015 (UTC)
See here for our previous discussion on the UnNews. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 14:23, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

Rats. Looked good and fresh. This is (un)done. Spıke Radiomicrophone15:28 18-Jun-15

edit UnNews:Osborne announces budget‎‎

"Regrettable"? Would you try to do a better job of making this one's advocacy a little less overt? Spıke Radiomicrophone17:12 8-Jul-15

The Tories like to tell the population that their cuts are regrettable but necessary, this is not my own voice but theirs. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 17:14, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

It read as though it were yours. I see you are working further on it; will check back later. Spıke Radiomicrophone17:25 8-Jul-15

OK, cheers. I was touching some bits up, it's all ready for your complete re-write. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 17:28, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

edit It's a gas

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Miley_Spears?oldid=5875441#Noble_gases

Thanks for asking. I'm retired here, but was logged into Wikia and ended up being logged in here too. I guess they finally got it all connected. Feel free to change it to something that works for this site. Miley Spears Discordian American Princess to the Stars (let's talk) 01:55, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

OK I changed it myself. Thanks for the suggestion! :) Miley Spears Discordian American Princess to the Stars (let's talk) 02:21, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

Miley, if you really retire... I'll have to use radical measures. I'll nominate your gases on VFH. Yes, that's how far I'll go. Anton (talk) 13:11, August 4, 2015 (UTC)
Oh wait, just realized they're already on VFH... That's how uninformed I am. Well, I guess I can do no more too prevent you from leaving. Apart from blocking you over at the fork Just kidding!Anton (talk) 13:16, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

edit UnNews:Hawking: Information required for Chilcot Inquiry in black holes

Never rains but it pours! Okay, this is up, above the fold. I don't understand the issues; over here, of course, we only have Hillary Clinton. ("'Scrub' the server? How would I have done that — with a dishrag? I told the nation in 1992 I was no housewife disposed to Stand By My Man!") Spıke Radiomicrophone18:55 26-Aug-15

Well in my case, with UnNews, it dribbles. I've not written much on here lately, but this was too good an opportunity to miss, I'm glad you appreciate it. ScottPat (talk) 18:58, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
Hahaha! Nice ScottPat, I have been thinking about lampooning this for ages but couldn't find a decent angle. Spike, the Chilcott inquiry is the independent investigation into the events that lead up to the Iraq war. It has been excuse after excuse to avoid releasing the document, the last one was they will release it until after the general election as it implicates ministers (no, really?). It is what they said at the last general election too.
Reticence probably means it is either a whitewash and there will be an outcry, or there are implications in the criminal court for senior politicians, including Tony Blair. Both Blair and Brown said certain untruths in the Chilcott inquiry, then corrected themselves later when evidence popped up in the press to the contrary. It'll be a good read. --EStop (talk) 06:28, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
P.S. Thanks for the vote for WOTM mate!--EStop (talk) 07:12, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
Cheers. I enjoyed writing it. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 07:50, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

edit British counties in datelines

UnNews:Style states that U.S. states are self-defining in UnNews datelines. So DETROIT, Michigan is good, as opposed to DETROIT, Michigan, U.S.A., or especially DETROIT, Michigan, U.S.A., Earth, Solar System, Milky Way, Universe. (SEATTLE, Washington is the only problematic one, for readers who don't know we have a state with the same name as the national capital.)

For symmetry, U.K. counties should be self-defining, and more specific than your CAMBRIDGE, UK recently. READING, Berkshire is a natural. But (looking it up) I see that Cambridge is in Cambridgeshire, which would look redundant in print (NEW YORK, New York being a counter-example, and only because of Frank Sinatra). CAMBRIDGE, Cam. is as cryptic to us Yanks, and probably suggests the river to youse. CAMBRIDGE, East Anglia? (Was there a secession?) Thoughts? Spıke Radiomicrophone17:16 27-Aug-15

It really depends on keeping a standard rule for UnNews article locations. The UK is relatively small compared to the US, and is about the same size as a large US State, hence why I often omit county names, which would make little difference to the American reader and almost as little difference to British readers (counties such as Rutland and Staffordshire are mostly unknown to people who live outside of them). If we were to go with Cambridge, East Anglia then we would have to have a standardised system of dividing the UK up into its unofficial regions (e.g. The Midlands, South-East, London, North-West etc.). I personally prefer either doing the city name followed by "UK" or the city name followed by the county name. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 08:00, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
I think just adding 'Manchester, UK' is enough too. Otherwise adding county names is a bit silly,especially when many cities are no longer part of the administrative part of that county. I think like adding 'Berlin, Germany' is enough without looking to see which administrative part of Germany that actually is. Since the USA has a number of cities with the same name (is that correct?), adding the state name is important to differentiate. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 08:05, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
I agree with those two points. Britain doesn't have the problem of repeated names for major towns and cities (within the UK), and many cities are now seceding from their county. Using Spike's example to refer to my previous point, I know Reading as a famous English town, I could point to it on a UK map. However if Spike hadn't told me it was in Berkshire, I wouldn't have known which county it was in. Brits don't know their counties in the same way Americans know their states. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 08:35, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
There is the oddment of the two Vancouvers but one is in the USA (Washington State) and the other is in Canada (British Columbia). --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 08:50, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
As a quick add. I think the BBC say 'Belfast, Northern Ireland' or 'Edinburgh, Scotland' but can't remember if they say 'London, England'. Probably another example of the inconsistencies that as 'natives' we don't see in our country, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - but excluding the Isle of Man, the Channel Islands and other remnant territories (St.Helena, Falkland Islands, August Bank Holiday Island). --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 08:54, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
There's also Houston, Texas and Houston, Mississippi. I believe the same result is obtained from typing in many of the famous US cities into google. It always seems to come up with the famous one and then the village in the middle of nowhere. Spike will have to tell us if there are two large US cities/towns that share the same name. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 08:57, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

No, indeed, there is no requirement in the US that city names be unique except to a state, in law or in people's expectations; counterexamples are the two large Portlands, Portsmouth (disambiguation), and Michele Bachmann tripped up for mistaking Concord, N.H. as the site of the "shot heard 'round the world" which was actually one state and one hour to the south. Any town name derived from England is likely not to be unique to the entire US. Municipalities are constructs of state government; in some states like California, names of small towns are not unique and are qualified by the name of the county. I'd favor "London, England" over "London, UK" as Yanks know the "countries" (mostly through cuisine and culture) but "United Kingdom" seems a legalism; likewise, "Berlin, Germany" not "Berlin, EU." Spıke Radiomicrophone12:53 28-Aug-15

Understood. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 13:11, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

PS--"I'd favor P2" does not mean "P1 is a problem"; no need to edit the UnNews. Spıke Radiomicrophone13:14 28-Aug-15

(Edit-conflict) I followed Romartus' suggestion to look at the BBC website. Their datelines for today include Manchester (city), Sussex (unofficial, traditional county that no longer is a county), England (country), Glasgow and West Scotland (unofficial region), and Lancashire (county). Not only is this unhelpful as they have used almost every geographical "rank" but also because being UK news for the UK, they do not feel the need to add two elements to the dateline. SirScottPat VFH NotM WotM WotY UotM 13:19, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

edit Replaced page with 'poo'

Thanks for the vandal revert; but you are mistaken to think that this is the article's author returning. I see edits of this exact type from time to time, sometimes nightly, and Anon never returns (at the same IP), nor makes any other "contribution." Spıke Radiomicrophone20:59 30-Aug-15

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