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New stuff at the end, please; I'll make it fit into the section organization after the topic dies down.

Is this about UnNews or UnNews audio? If so, talk to me here.

I don't routinely put a Watch on other people's talk pages. Nothing personal! I endorse keeping a conversation together on a single talk page, but a few days after the conversation ends, I will Unwatch you--the alternative being endless false alarms.

Anything typed here I may post-edit clerically. Typically, I combine parts of dialogues that took place on the other guy's talk page. Some conversations that pertain to the text of an article are moved to that article's talk page.


Should I stay or continue on the new site?

I don't know which, maybe you can help me decide?--Sir Peasewhizz de New York (Chat) (Stalk?) 00:33, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Why would I help you decide? I view you as a budding politician rather than a technician--down to nominating me for numerous annual honors and immediately capering over to my talk page to try to extract maximum political benefit for your actions--and I believe that the more mature writers and admins--who don't view interaction with a corporation as ingestion of poison--are staying here. I encourage you to migrate to the "new" site and see how sucking up to the autocrats works for you. I think the first time the "new" site goes down for a week, and you get nothing but ridicule followed by a ban for "disruptive comments," you will become a somewhat wiser suck-up. Spıke ¬ 00:41 5-Jan-13
I have never loathed you more than I do right now. -- Kip > Talk Works Puzzle Potato Dry Brush CUN Icons-flag-us 02:37, Jan. 5, 2013
If SPIKE doesn't want to migrate to "Boobiepedia", let him stay here. The new site might go down, hopefully not for a week, but it might just take off and become successful too. It is his choice after all, and his grouchiness (see above) and sarcastic humor might not be welcomed on the new site anyways. I plan to edit on both sites, in case this site starts censoring anything remotely offensive I'll go over there, and if that site goes down, I'll spend some time editing over here. It's not like I write major articles, unlike some. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 04:11, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Typed as others waited for the 48-hour ban for the above comment to expire

You can get you name in lower case at the new site. I think you just sign up for an account, and then have someone transfer everything to the new account. I also intend to go between both of them, and maybe over there the drama could have a new start. Me and TFK are best of buds on the new site, he is the light of my life. You too, come by and we all can hang out there too. Pretty good energy there - but no search engine will reach it for quite awhile. Al 23:23 Uncy's 8th Birthday

Who needs search engines when we have each other??!!!??! :) :) --Littleboyonly TKFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Oldmanonly 23:25, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
True, so true. Spike may be up for a three-way, or more. I'm busy that day, but Socky, who doesn't want to put the boobs back on his user page, may be up for it. He's now gay, and that apparantly happened right at the transfer, like someone beaming up on Star Trek and getting his preferences scrambled in the transporter. Aleister minutes later
But there is an (inactive) account here as Spike (as well as SPIKE's first account, which I remembered welcoming and then getting thoroughly confused). If all the accounts have been ported over, the User:Spike should be there too.
And you're being naughty. How dare you criticise the new site! It's not as though people who were voted in as caretakers have now claimed ownership of a site that was never theirs to begin with! And given they are administrators on both sites whatever you do on the new site - or say about it here - is definitely not grounds for a ban. It had to do with your arrogance. I don't know where you get such behaviour - do you see any of the admins here being arrogant at all?                               Puppy's talk page01:53 06 Jan
Ok I'd just like to clear up the misinformation here in case SPIKE is actually interested in getting his username changed on the new site. 1) All of the account information is there (edits, password, etc) but the account doesn't "exist" until that user logs in for the first time, so PotR's concerns about those other accounts are unfounded 2) DO NOT DO WHAT ALIESTER SAID, just sign in with your main account and request that somebody do a name change. Creating an account with the username you want will only make life harder for the person changing your username. Ok now that that's cleared up, carry on. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 02:55, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
What are you on about, Aleister? O_o Sir SockySexy girls Mermaid with dolphin Tired Marilyn Monroe (talk) (stalk)Magnemite Icons-flag-be GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 03:02, 6 January 2013
Oh. Zombiebaron is correct. Until someone logged in as “Spike” or created that user account, that account was only there in potentia. As soon as someone goes over and creates and account using a user name from here - such as Chronarion, Stillwaters, Hardwick Fundlebuggy, etc., then they become that identity over there.
My apologies. Going back to previous statement, the account “Spike” now exists over there. Glad to see that the attribution there can't be manipulated at all.                               Puppy's talk page03:14 06 Jan
I believe the reason you were allowed to create User:Spike was because it has no contributions. I just tried to create an account called Zombieminion and it told me it was in use. Also, thanks for mucking up SPIKE's name change on the new site. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 03:21, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Just testing the capacity of the security. It appears that you're correct. I'm curious to see if any of my socks are still barred on the new site. Including those that had no contributions, but allowed me to send emails to other users. As for the name change - as soon as SPIKE asks for the password the account is his. (For obvious reasons I'm not going to publish it here.) It won't be the first time we've had a name change via account creation. If you want me to teach you how to then amend the attribution to the new account just let me know. Something I never thought of doing until Lyrithya told me it was possible and how it was done. (Probably a mistake on her part, in retrospect.)                               Puppy's talk page03:32 06 Jan
Naw don't worry about it, I just renamed User:Spike to User:PuppyOnTheSpike. So there should be no problem giving SPIKE his name change. Thank for offering to help though! -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 03:35, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
I can't work out if that's an allusion to impaling, gay bestiality, or processed meat products. New site appears to be a success - done more edits there this year then I have here.                               Puppy's talk page04:08 06 Jan
Yeah, the new site is rockin'! Did you hear TheLedBalloon is writing a new article there? -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 04:23, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Just to clear up the misinformation on the misinformation. The password is not on the new site until you enter it when logging in for the first time. Wikia doesn't give out passwords ever. You give it to the new site, an extension there verifies it by logging in as you here, and then creates the new account with that password. OK, now that that's cleared up, carry on. -- sannse@Wikia (talk) 05:01, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
I'm just getting ready to start a new article here TBH.
Sannse: I understand that it's a hashing algorithm that's used to preserve password security. I'm assuming it's an MD5 hash. Lyrithya stated that given a database she'd be able to “hack” the password, but I doubt she'll have much luck doing that.
ZB - Serious question: It's been stated that nothing done here will be moved to the new site, and vice versa. Given both sites are operating under NC-BY-CC-SA, any individual user can grab the content of a page and transpose it at the other site, as long as they comment during the transposition where it has come from, and that would be legally permissible. Obviously administrators can undo or delete these entries as a gesture of goodwill, but that's the choice of said administrator. Also any admin could, at any time, export and import a page from one to the other. We've never had a policy that restricts this in the past - both Al and Lyrithya have articles that are near identical here and on Illogicopedia. Are you going to “officially” add a restriction on porting content to the ignorable policies of the site? (While at the same time allowing users to happily modify their own articles on both sites?)
As an adjunct to that, if a user has edited pages on one site, which has later had edits by another user, are you going to allow them to port them from one site to the other? (Or, to rephrase, if I rewrote a page here and then said “Can you import it?” would admins be willing to do that? Or would it be simply a given that intermediary edits may come across with content without proper attribution in page history?)                               Puppy's talk page05:20 06 Jan
I'm not really sure what you are talking about. You seem to have misunderstood talk about the practicalities of moving the wiki for discussion of some kind of future policy change. What we meant when we said that we would stop moving things done here to the new site was that we were ceasing to copy all new edits. You can copy any material written on this site post-January 3rd to the new site (with proper attribution of course). -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 05:30, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Apparently this page isn't the village dump. Of course, each time I add content there I tend to be ignored or dismissed. Here there's an interesting discussion happening. But I understand some of the difficulties in migrating a fork - I seem to recall doing a similar thing myself. My question was on the policy aspect. In short, the policy is to have no policy - in which you reserve the right to take future edits from here and move them to your mirror. Which is pretty much the crux of what I was trying to understand.                               Puppy's talk page06:03 06 Jan

Forking versus ideology?

If you choose to stay on the Wikia site (or even decide never to contribute to either the new one or the old one again because of your conflict with TKF), I will miss working with you. You have a precision in editing that reminds me to be careful with my own crappy compositions, and I enjoy coming up with javascript hacks for you at the drop of a hat.

However, I will never forgive you for lumping me in with your description of "children with the Entitlement Mentality". Yes, I realize you didn't mention me by name, and you'll probably say "if you think I was referring to you, you fit the bill." However, unlike the rest of the "99%" generation, we didn't camp out in front of Wikia's swank lobby with protest signs, shouting and throwing feces at them as they passed. Well, we did, metaphorically—but then we got off our asses and built our own server, so that we could run the site more freely than under our current corporate overlords.

Unless I'm mistaken, freedom of expression and an attitude of self-reliance aren't things reviled in the New Hampshire or America as a whole. I seem to recall reading a book about a group of entitled, whiny merchants and politicians who became pissed at a corporate entity around 200 years ago or so, and decided to strike out on their own. I can't recall for the life of me how that ended, but I also don't believe anyone has called them "entitled children" since Lord Fredrick North's time. Am I making an undue comparison between a successful revolution and a dispute between a poorly-run company and a bunch of failed comedy writers? Yes. Yes I am. And I stand by it. ~ BB ~ (T) Icons-flag-usSun, Jan 6 '13 5:51 (UTC)

BB, you'z a crazy revolutionary. I challenge you to a duel on the banks of the Potomac, be there at sunrise tomorrow and wait for me. As for Spike, I would hope all parties involved agree that it is a new start, that people will treat each other better at the new site, and that maybe that stuff on the voting page for WotY there be removed. Spike is one of our backbones (the second verterbrae I believe), does so many saves and helps new and veteran users, and he was a long way ahead in writing the most features in 2012 (the next closest, TKF, was three behind. That's like Secretariat running backwards and winning at the Belmont, which he did in fact). When Spike signs up at the new site I hope TKF and others slaughter the fatted calf and welcome him with open arms (and legs). Aleister 11:38 6-1-'13
I hope so too, IF Spike chooses to sign up at the new site, knowing him. Maybe its better to wait out this ban while the drama dies down, and the bugs on the new site get worked out. You didn't actually think everything would be running perfectly when it opened, did you? Nothing ever works out quite that well, unfortunately, knowing technology. Meanwhile, the username "Spike" is available on the new site, which seems to me to be a sign of goodwill. Please, Spike, do go check out the new site, even just to reserve your username and take a quick look around. As with any new site, there will be a measure of confusion and chaos but there's a bug report forum for that. The Batch Delete function also isn't working over there yet, so don't go over there just to request that all your stuff be deleted from mainspace (like a certain user did). A vote on that might be in the works. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 22:27, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Spike will be able to speak for himself when he serves out the ban. I don't think any user can request to have their material deleted on those grounds. Articles can be selected for deletion on VFD but only the issues we are all aware of - i.e. not funny, not any good, town cruft etc etc. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 23:12, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Actually any user can, but the administartion has chosen to not delete a user's body of work until a community consensus is reached relating to this issue, and until they have their batch delete working. Also, does Godwin's law also relate to the American fondling fathers?                               Puppy's talk page11:18 06 Jan
I guess they were the guys shut out from the original committee. Then there were the Foundling Fathers..the ones abandoned on a door step with the note 'I was going to expose my child to wild beasts on a mountain but this place looks as good as any other for that purpose.' --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 10:36, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

UnNews and how it is running

Since my recent return, I have tried to figure out who is running UnNews at the moment. Unfortunately, noone seems to know who is in charge of what. I believe your still active with UnNews, correct? --Mn-z 19:01, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Right now, I don't know as that is one of the issues to be decided this week. As you can see, Aleister and the others are posting stories on both wikis so it is really only a question about who organises the template. For now, I will oversee it. I will updating the UnNews template page today. Thanks. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 19:10, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
My main concern was that someone was updating it here. Also, are you guys updating the featured article too? Because of the possible decrease in membership, keeping VFH running might get difficult. --Mn-z 19:13, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
Welcome back, Mnbvcxz! Mattsnow and GlobalTourniquet, in that order, were the last two to step up for full-service Editor-in-Chiefing, until their respective schedules changed. More recently, Matt lobster has juggled the feature lists. I was sporadically active this fall but the news has not gripped me with mirth since, say, last November 6. Spıke ¬ 19:20 7-Jan-13
I will do the juggling in the meantime until we decide who wants to look after that page in the next few days. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 19:25, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
And there is a new featured article for Tuesday. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 19:26, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Grand Rapids

I just left the new building and saw that your Grand Rapids page is featured on its front porch. I think they left a light burning in the window there for you. Maybe I should nom one of my pages here, I don't know which are ready. Many are good, few are chosen. Aleister 4:10 8-1-'13

Sorry for the delayed response! Indeed, any records for Uncyclopedia in 2013 will have to have more asterisks than their counterparts in the 2013 miniature of the National Hockey League. Spıke ¬ 03:46 9-Jan-13
Sans Asterix DeGaulle. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 10:27, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
You could become Asterix in Chains....--LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 10:28, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

UnNews:ACLU silent on gun control debate

You are the first person from whom I would like to hear opinion on this. -- Kip > Talk Works Puzzle Potato Dry Brush CUN Icons-flag-us 03:19, Jan. 12, 2013

UnNews:Facebook introduces ‘Nookie’

Hey mate! I have pretty good one here. But if you can see any way to improve the first para or any part then please go for it. .... BTW: I really hope you're going to be Unnews editor again (like you were before the dickweeds created Prickipedia). Cheers!--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 16:07, Jan 16

For some reason, I jumped on this the moment it came up. The first paragraph did not read like news (Who? What? Where? When? How?) but as a sales brochure, a problem that persists in the use of the second person throughout. I have been over it with small tweaks and now a second Source regarding what the "Anal ysts" [sic] say about it.
Now back to you: Your fake name Nookie is based on nothing. A better parody of "Graph Search", given your take on the news, would be "Grope Search". If you agree, do a global-replace and rename the article. Spıke ¬ 16:34 16-Jan-13

Hey, good work! On the name, I like Nookie, because of the play on Siri (who will never answer simple questions like "How big are your nipples?"). Lets keep the Nookie name. Cheers!--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 17:00, Jan 16

You are the author, and thus I did not "be italic" on such a major change. But "Nookie" is a play on a related, incidental concept, whereas "Grope Search" would be a play on the news itself, which is preferable. Spıke ¬ 17:12 16-Jan-13
You did a good job with the edit. But we're not going to mess it up with a name change. This is as much a play on Siri (a girl's name and voice) as it is on Facebook. Facebook introduces grope?---fuck that dry impersonal BS! My concept is Nookie. If you want to write another news with Grope - well, be my guest, that's all yours. Cheers--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 17:35, Jan 16


extracted from the start of the previous section

We have a collab FA today with Mutaween, which is half yours. Cheers!--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 16:07, Jan 16

The feature belongs entirely to you! I contributed one small section by way of a segue to a minor pun (and you may keep me in the article's Change History), but did not even vote for it for FA, stating that "I continue to believe that awareness-raising is getting in the way of humor." If I had tried to smooth over the article to solve this philosophical disagreement, it would be a true collab; as it is, you are entitled to one full point in the Hall of Shame. Spıke ¬ 17:24 16-Jan-13

Thanks, mate! Much appreciated.--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 17:35, Jan 16

Ah! you see, you were offering me half of that last cupcake because you wanted the whole thing all along. A pleasure doing business with you. Spıke ¬ 17:37 16-Jan-13

Hey, I'm always happy to share. Although, I forgot that you didn't vote for Mutaween. Yeah, not voting is a major disqualification on VFH. But, much thanks for the help. BTW: Have you ever written anything in the real world that was published? Cheers!--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 17:49, Jan 16

Yeah, "I oppose this article but will happily take half credit." Separately, that could be the most demeaning question since you wondered recently whether I had ever been on the other side of the county line. In fact, I have hundreds of published books, none with my name on them; those are always the terms of employment. Spıke ¬ 17:57 16-Jan-13
Spike, I've always wondered, and this is a good time to ask it, if you can chew gum and write at the same time. Not to insult you in any way, but can you tell time? How many quarts in a gallon, I'm thinking you might not know. Mares eat oats, and does eat oats, and little lambs eat ivy - a kid'll eat ivy too, wouldn't you? Aleister 23:54 16-1-'13
"Spike: I understand you try to seem smart and economically competent. You are not. You neither understand what I write, or have the capability to restate any position I take....You really should try and stick to your own points rather than ride my and other posters' coat tails. If only you understood economics and finance as well as you think you do....You really are one of the lightest posters on this board....You should run in your Primary. You're the best they've got!!!" --Someone else, today, a continent away on another blog. Spıke ¬ 00:12 17-Jan-13
You know that that fellow was being an ignorant dick. We, of course, are smart dicks. Here's what I did way earlier today/yesterday, but it would look better if you sign up as a member there - then you skip most of the ads and get to see the avatars of each poster and lots of other fun stuff. But today I tried to create an urban legend, with maybe good results if anyone ever sees it. Aleik 00:19 17-1-'13
You have always been the most courteous leftie I deal with. Apart from a serious self-promotion Jones. Completely separately, please Forum:Reminder: Clear "Patrolled" flag. Spıke ¬ 00:24 17-Jan-13
Thanks, I am left-handed, although actually ambridexteriously. I had thought that it cleared automatically on an undo but apparantly not, and on one of them I had to clear it and then go back and undo it. Is there an easier way? Have you ever tried ATS? You may like it, in fact knowing you as I do I think you would. Many people of your irk post there, raving and sounding intelligent and more economically competent by the minute. I just looked at the site without signing in and it's horrible, ads everywhere, even between every fourth or fifth post. Some people lurk for years and then sign in, I don't see how they could look at it or make out what's going on. Aleister 00:33 17-1-'13
Rollback seems to clear it, but revert via Undo does not; it merely initializes an edit window in a particular way with a particular Change Summary. Separately, many of us do not have your allergy to advertisements. I am not presently looking for new forums to get irked by people of my "irk" [sic]. Spıke ¬ 00:38 17-Jan-13
A patrolled tag is removed:
  1. On an revert
  2. By clicking “Mark as patrolled” on the diff page (or on the page assuming it's a new page)
  3. By using BB's patrolling script
An undo won't remove it, but a revert won't allow you to give a reason for the undo, and can seem harsher when dealing with noobs writing with best intention but lack of skill. A decent scripter could probably create an “undo and patrol” tag/option, but that's beyond my capacity.                               Puppy's talk page02:04 17 Jan
I apologise for ilking you.                               Puppy's talk page02:07 17 Jan
I am not even contemplating going on IRC to get irked by my irk. Thanks, this is how I thought the Patrol tag worked. I use Revert only on I.P.Anon, and liberally when they make lists listier or add memes or quotes, but users with names almost always deserve a Change Summary and often deserve contact via talk page. Ideally, Undo (when done by a trusted=Autopatrolled user and not by the vandal himself) should remove the Patrol tag, as someone has patrolled the change and responded via Undo (whether he reverts it or uses the edit window to go halfway). Spıke ¬ 02:17 17-Jan-13
I also avoid the IRCsome corners of this site. And I agree, and was one of the things I was looking into a while ago - especially as a one click, type in rationale for undo, and submit type of thing - but I left here at a stage when nobody was actually bothering to patrol regularly. (Frosty excepted.)                               Puppy's talk page02:50 17 Jan

Headers are good

Just a thought related to the skin we have here. At present we have this in the MediaWiki:Common.css

/* comment boxes adapted from French Wikipedia. 
Applied to Forum and stuck here because making the colours match the skin is annoying. */
.ns-110 dd {
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
.ns-110 dl {
	border-top: solid 1px #BBBBBB;
	border-left: solid 1px #BBBBBB;
	padding-top: 0.5em;
	padding-left: 0.5em;
	margin-left: 1em;
.ns-110 dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }

This exceedingly ugly piece of code allows us to have the "boxes" in the forums here. This - oddly - is completely different to what they have at Wikipedia, and doesn't relate to the vector skin at all.

Also on MediaWiki:Sidebar we have the following:


The final four of those items are off-site links - the first of which is a commercial entity that is now being used to raise funds for the fork, as far as I'm aware. (Assuming the $2.83 or so they raised can be considered as any form of significant income). All of these sites are also being used to direct readers back to the new fork.

The first is predominantly cosmetic issue. The second is probably more related to the external liks forum we were recently disucssing. Given my current status in some circles as the anti-uncyclo-christ, I'm loathe to do much more than raise this to the attention of other community members. Your perspective on this is probably along the same lines as mine. What action do you think would be advisable?                               Puppy's talk page08:49 21 Jan

Sorry for the delay; I looked at a change summary of this message once, and followed the link to common.css, but never saw the rest of your message until now. (And your darned signature doesn't display anything until one reads the source code; this is carrying Aleister's disdain for corporate life to extremes.) At one point there was an Uncyclopedia Store, with real UnNews coffee cups. The use of the very new .co domain is suspicious, as is the unusual spelling "uncyclopaedia" in the final two entries. I know some of the Forkers bragged about controlling the IRC channel and I know they view WP:Uncyclopedia as a battleground too. I would not be surprised if the final four links are controlled by the Fork as well.
If so, this is more theft by deception, against Wikia whose corporate efforts attracted readers to this site, and defrauds the reader, who never expects his mouse click will result in funds transferred to a privately owned parallel website with a copy of Uncyclopedia's articles. Further to our discussion on your talk page about the outrages of corporate life (against which the gripes of the Forkers are trivial): If you worked on the .co site, your paycheck would bounce. Spıke ¬ 23:53 21-Jan-13
You really do fit the mold of 'vulgar libertarianism'. You take the side of a corporation over the aspirations of people who simply desire freedom and to profit over what is rightfully there's. -- Kip > Talk Works Puzzle Potato Dry Brush CUN Icons-flag-us 04:03, Jan. 22, 2013
Comedy ain't supposed to be about the money, man. --Littleboyonly TKFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Oldmanonly 04:30, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I didn't say it was. However, Spike is arguing about money, and I'm saying if merchandise profits should go to anyone, it should go to us, not Wikia. On that note, most of our money will go to keeping the site up, so Spike is double-wrong. I like that. -- Kip > Talk Works Puzzle Potato Dry Brush CUN Icons-flag-us 04:37, Jan. 22, 2013
And the phrase "outrages of corporate life" is just gold. Ain't no stoppin the Spike train! --Littleboyonly TKFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Oldmanonly 04:56, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
This is SPIKE's talk page and not a common room to discuss him as if he was invisible. Thank you. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 08:38, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
Excuse me, but it is him who is ignoring us. I assume it's because of bad blood. If you notice a few sections up, I asked him for his opinion on a news article more than a week ago and he never responded. -- Kip > Talk Works Puzzle Potato Dry Brush CUN Icons-flag-us 09:45, Jan. 22, 2013
Look further up the page Kip. If I had left a comment like that on your user page, would that encourage collaboration or an acknowledgement? --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 13:37, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
Are you referring "I have never loathed you more than I do right now" comment? I said that in a moment of anger. His comment was a summary of my entire beef with him: He believes our forking was an autocratic exercise in immaturity, while in the same breath he downplays any of the oppression we've been through with the cold Wikia. Anything after this is childish misdirected rage, for which I sincerely apologize. -- Kip > Talk Works Puzzle Potato Dry Brush CUN Icons-flag-us 17:35, Jan. 22, 2013

I love Stadtler and Waldorf. As for the date/time in my sig - I've set it up as a tooltip. (Hover over the date/time text.) Thank you for expressing an opinion when I asked you for an opinion. Much appreciated.                               Puppy's talk page10:10 22 Jan

Wa-hey! look at that! That is as subtle as double-clicking; truly "too clever by half." Regarding your first observation in this section: I am not at all attached to the boxes in the Forum--but neither at the notion that an exact superficial resemblance to Wikipedia is a key to our attempt to satirize them. Spıke ¬ 15:22 22-Jan-13

In light of all the rocks and sticks being thrown at you...

...I was wondering if you can cook? On a stone, or a stove, or an oven. Or do you use microwaves. Have you ever eaten out at a restaurant? Just wondering. Al 13:13 22-1-'13

Avoiding excess grease and sugar is now a higher value than bold new experiences, and a typical meal is nuked rice or couscous with one of those curry things stirred in. But there is a Chinese place (essentially a chippie) I often visit halfway to my favorite sports venue. Spıke ¬ 15:22 22-Jan-13
Oh. This was meant, of course (for those in need of humor, I don't personally find anything funny) as a joke, but great, you're eating good. At times in my life I've been "off" sugar for years and on for years (when off of it maybe once or twice a year I'd eat sugar while getting high on some kind of herb, and they mix as a hallucinogen). Am currently no-sugared since Sept. 18. Rice, cous cous, ah, the feasts of life. For a non-sugar treat, have you had Rice Dream (ice cream without the cream). Doesn't sound like you're vegan, but in the past year Amy's has come out with a rice-crust pizza with soy cheese that actually melts. Aleister 15:57 22-1-'13
I like your new user page header. Sent you an email, in case you don't check those often. I seldom check my Al account, but do so after I write someone. The guy who's doing the band page is really good, I hope he sticks around to do at least one original page so he can see if he likes writing in this style. Aleister 21:00 23-1-'13
Your email hasn't arrived yet; I poll every 10 minutes. I replied to you on his talk page, where I hopefully turned him over to you. Spıke ¬ 21:04 23-Jan-13

HowTo:Become A Rapist

Spike, you know what? The IP's edits on HowtoBecome a rapist are actually good, and I like the page a lot more after his edits. A lot. It shortened it, took out lots of the deadwood as well as parts the page both shouldn't be teaching and aren't that funny. I say we keep it as the IP edited it, and I'll see if any important links were deleted. Please take a look at the page when he got done with it and see what you think. But not now, all work and no play and that.Aleister 3:25 24-1-'13

I'll defer to you if you've actually looked at the result; I assumed it was just a blanker, perhaps a phone worker at a Rape Crisis Center on an evening when no one's calling in. It is a damned cold night to go out raping. By the way, your email never arrived. Good night. Spıke ¬ 03:34 24-Jan-13
Probably a blanker, but they blanked the worse of it in terms of being too-far out there and trimmed the page back to a very good version as versions go, maybe unintentionally, which is the same as intentional when the intent is right. Not a bad job. Email, will look into it later. A long and interesting day in uncy history. Aleister 3:42 24-1-'13


Made a plan of action, hopefully will get around to it. Struggling to find time, and when I do I'm usually distracted and finding it hard to come up with anything funny. Will Peereview and see if what I write is better than what is already on there. The preceding signed comment was added by Projectmayhem666 (talk • contribs). 18:49, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

OK. The biggest problems I see with the mainspace version is that the Fun Facts have gone out of control (as Fun Facts always do) and it could use more information for people unfamiliar with the local news, and less reliance on simple puns. Spıke ¬ 19:02 24-Jan-13
It feels like an attack article that exists to insult the subject, rather than an article that is trying to be funny. --Mn-z 12:45, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
The mainspace article is not terribly good, but not entirely malevolent; there's also some not terribly good Randumbo. Hence the effort to rework it, which 666 has graciously accepted. Funnybony lives there and turned down this assignment. I think the place is an autocracy where anyone who knows enough to write a funny article is safer not doing so. Spıke ¬ 12:52 27-Jan-13
I would agree with your reasoning. However, articles to attack to prove a point rather than be funny often don't off as funny. Thailand is in a relatively backwards part of the world, and is about on par, in terms of freedom, for the region. It sort of comes across like town-cruft, because there is nothing that sets apart Thailand, either real or imagined. An alternative similar article on Mubage or Kim Jong-un or even Vladimir Putin would work, simply because they are more notable. This one comes across, as a "same crap, different day" article. --Mn-z 13:14, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
I hope Projectmayhem is following this and getting a sense of what needs to be done. Spıke ¬ 13:38 27-Jan-13

Aleister chats up an IP

The IP had a point on the Primitive Taliban page, I left him a note on his talk page. We're getting some pretty good IP's the last couple days. Aleister 21:28 24-1-'13

I too have been encouraged by the stream of new contributors. However, Aleister, if you are going to chat up IPs (other than to ask good ones to register), please investigate the context. This one is a few digits down from Template Spammer (thus probably the same guy), who started in again this morning after coming back from a 6-month ban and picking up right where he left off. I don't care if this particular blind squirrel found an acorn in your eyes, the reward of your attention could be disastrous. Spıke ¬ 21:35 24-Jan-13
Alright. But I tried to tame him, and if he continues, yeah. Apologies, I didn't check into him but saw that he was trying to help on the Taliban USA page. Aleister 21:43 24-1-'13

I am wrong, he is not the perma-banned Template Spammer. But I assume that is an incarnation of and, in other words ban evasion. Spıke ¬ 21:46 24-Jan-13

Why don't we see if he signs up as a member and decides to respect people. Miracles happen. Al minute later

I can't predict the future. But I can see that what he does, as the Template Spammer does too, is make a lot of annoying tweaks to a lot of unrelated pages. If he is the next Solzhenitzyn, I will admit error. But engaging him is an enormous reinforcement even if your amended engagement merely directs him to register, and being the source of a disagreement between two registered users is an even bigger reinforcement. Spıke ¬ 21:52 24-Jan-13

PS--I think you got your wish. You now have an adoptee! Append to User talk:Kirbyfan1996 if you see fit. Spıke ¬ 21:58 24-Jan-13

Hmmmmmm. He's going to have to make a quick 260 on the respect level. We'll see. Al 22:09

...and Kirbyfan1996 appears on the scene

Hi, I'm new to Uncyclopedia. Like really new. I literally just made my account about an hour ago. I'd like help understanding why I'm on thin ice for a large series of trivial edits to pages. Including this page, I have only "made my mark" on two pages. Nor have I ever done anything that would get me banned from a web community before. I may not be the funniest or most creative person out there, and I'd like help learning how to convey my more creative side. But I just want to understand the criticism.

BTW, who's this Template Spammer guy? When I posted this on your talk page, I read the IP section just above it. If my computer's IP address is similar to your guy, it might be because I'm using InPrivate Browsing (I don't like cookies and other stuff from the Internet that automatically gets stored an causes problems as this is what happened to my last computer.) The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kirbyfan1996 (talk • contribs)

So you've read my welcome to you on User talk:Kirbyfan1996, and the previous section of this here page. Your registration as Kirbyfan followed a vandal attack by the guy I described to you. Aleister posted a message to him applauding one of his edits, I told him that was unwise, he edited the message to invite the vandal to register--and you turned up. If this is a gigantic case of mistaken identity--if you are saying above that this is literally your second edit to our wiki--then I am mistaken. (Even in that case, there is no harm in putting your best foot forward.) We are all here to help you be funny, and we can proceed on this talk page or yours, where I did give you one tip about your other edit. Spıke ¬ 23:05 24-Jan-13
PS--It has nothing to do with your IP address; ordinary users like me can't see your IP address when you use a user name. It is the coincidence in time that made me suspicious. Spıke ¬ 23:07 24-Jan-13
[Memo to self] The next day the Template Spammer returns, and makes a bee-line not for Kirby but Furby. I repeat my apology on Kirby's talk page. Spıke ¬ 20:29 25-Jan-13
Photo of a Furby from Aleister seen, and deleted so I don't have to pay to load it again later, or see it again. Who do you think you are, "self]"? Spıke ¬ 12:01 27-Jan-13

Thanks from Robstew

Hey, just wanted to say thanks for the feedback. This being the internet, I expected something completely offensive and nonconstructive. Your advice wasn't any of these things, and for that I am most grateful. I will definitely keep your revisions in mind. As you can see, the subaru page is still a bit of a work in progress. After looking around, I found that a different page about subaru was deleted by an admin. Hopefully with a bit of time, mine won't be.--Robstew (talk) 03:02, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Offensive and nonconstructive can also happen here; just above you see part of a debate about how to treat newcomers who don't register and who seem to be vandals. The weekend shift is undermanned at the moment because of the politics we all love, and those remaining are sometimes defensive.
You are also wise to contact me here: I had already concluded that you were in good hands and "unwatched" your talk page, meaning I would not have seen a message left there.
The edit Simsilikesims made to your article coincides with the list of comments I gave earlier. When writing, you must always decide who your reader is; here, it is a random person anywhere in the English-speaking world, notably the UK, Canada, and Australia. 2 out of 2 readers who cared to comment did not know who your auto-racer was; I am sorry to say it is just as bad for baseball stars. Recently I helped out on a new article on Rick Nash (the star of the hockey NY Rangers) by a butt-hurt Columbus Bluejackets fan, and someone else was ready to delete it as an article about a family member or something. A sentence with a summary of his accomplishments would help the reader relate to him (and you don't have to play that straight either).
Reading your talk page: You are perfectly free to abandon the article on "Subaru" in your userspace if you get a more promising idea. It was wise to look for other versions of Subaru--and, if you find them, study why they were deleted. (If it was by vote, read the debate. Also try my Rice burner.) You can upload any content you produce, provided you agree that it can be used for any non-commercial use subject only to giving you credit; regarding photos you take with your phone, please confine any vanity to your user page, a small amount to introduce yourself to other editors, not a catalog of everything you've done on the Web. Happy editing! Spıke ¬ 12:01 27-Jan-13

Rule 2

SPIKE,as a concerned American(WOO America!!!), I see you have deleted a lot of stuff. I don't think you are American.You are a Uncyclopedia Nazi(read Hitler). THIS , IS , AMERICA!!!! Idiot The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drfg (talk • contribs) 00:15, January 28, 2013

As an idiot, you may have missed a few subtle points
  • This is not America
  • You started a discussion by invoking Godwin's rule
  • Spike cannot delete any pages. He can edit pages. This is done for quality control. (A complete list of every pages Spike has deleted.)
  • Hitler is a terrible article
Pleasure to be of assistance.                               Puppy's talk page12:20 28 Jan
PUPPY, as a concerned Fiji Islander(WOO Fiji Islands!!!), I see you have berated Drfg and stuff. I don't think you are Fiji Islander.You are a Uncyclopedia Nazi(read Goebbels). THIS, IS, FIJI ISLANDS!!!! Idiot unsigned 00:15, January 28. 2013

Deleting is editing ,jackass.same to you on the nazi part.from reading your article you are a puppy fucker. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drfg (talk • contribs)

I think the edit in question is to Car, where Drfg added the bit in italics: "In 1879, Karl Benz patented his engine, allowing him to make the first car.He immediately regretted it and became a hippie." With no space following the previous sentence. We regard this addition as Randumbo and deserving of deletion. I had also seen your edit to your own user page, to-wit: "DRFG ROCKS!!!!!!! EVERY ELSE IS AN FUCKING RETARDED IDIOT,HA HA!!!!!!!!!EVERYONE ON THIS SITE HAS A SMALL DICK OR A PUSSY THAT SMELL LIKE RETARDED FISH." And to Talk:Onion, I quote: "Say something about how onion smell like ass." In brief, I did not expect quality edits from you and the one I deleted was not one. Spıke ¬ 00:40 28-Jan-13
Yes, I do fuck puppies, but that is a lifestyle choice. Anyway, to be serious, and I don't know the issues involved, why don't you pick a couple of your favorite edits that you are talking about and present your case in nice tones and with a hand of friendship extended, like an adult would (you can still have the other hand unextended and holding a stone-age knife, like I do). Then some of your edit, a word or two, can maybe go wherever it is you guys are talking about. Thanks, and if you calm the fuck down you can find a lot of good and creative people here who can give you a healthy learning curve. But what will probably happen is you will ignore my advice, get banned, and that will be that. Try to stick around, yes? Aleister 00:42 28-1-'13
May we vote? (Incidentally, you would be amazed how little of the time it works to tell someone to "calm the fuck down.") Spıke ¬ 00:47 28-Jan-13
We must try though. I have never calmed the fuck down when requested to, but miracles do happen (I just saw a Drew Barrymore film "Big Miracle", a pretty good movie), Aleister calmed the fuck down 00:52
Spike is right. Chill the fuck out is much more effective.                               Puppy's talk page03:14 28 Jan

Content warning

I thought I'd said this in the past but I might as well say it now. I like content warnings when done the right way. One of the best examples of this is the content warning on South Park. It's a very quick warning and shows a distinct lack of respect for the fact that it needs a warning. That splash of irreverence actually drew me into the show. I also recall that the Naked Gun series had a few gems in their end credits along these lines, and even Michael Jackson's Thriller referred to "...resemblance to any persons living, dead, or undead..."

Would I run the site without one if possible - yes. If we're going to have one would I make it as much of an indication of the site as possible? Absolutely.

As for the issues you're having with viewing - the images off shouldn't make an impact (and if they do they'll make an impact here but not when the content warning actually is in place - that uses real background html.) But let me know what issues you're having. I've tested across a few browsers and resolutions, but I'm aware that there's a chance I missed something. If it's in your CSS that's killing it, then that's a non-issue. Your site CSS shouldn't kick in until the content warning is dismissed. (Effectively it'll be fine once you've logged in.)                               Puppy's talk page12:12 30 Jan

I don't expect to prevail; but as the question is raised in a new place, I gave my opinion again. The whimsical approach is way too much about what we think about ourselves and not about the decision the reader has to make. On the CSS, almost all of my CSS is in userContent on my PC and thus takes effect for anything Uncyclopedia displays. But again, even when I disable my CSS, without images the text is light-light-light-gray on white. And disabling images should disable all downloads of images, whether through [File:...] or as a background image. Spıke ¬ 12:47 30-Jan-13
Isn't what we think about ourselves the same as what we want the reader to think about us? The choice is pink and kittens or scary lightning and Oscar Wilde. I myself loath and fear to come here, but here I am nonetheless. Almost time to eat, so I must be off to the races. Aleister 12:54
I will definitely pick navel-gazing over irrelevance (kittens), but I'd rather play it straight to a newcomer. Separately, I had a nice diced-ham-and-cheese vindaloo recently (sauce from a bottle, of course). Yesterday it was a loaf of bread dipped in pie filling. Spıke ¬ 12:57 30-Jan-13
Code talk. Al, block your ears. The way I've put together the page is a bastardisation of background image, which means the option of background image OR dark blue colour doesn't quite work. If I could add the image into the CSS for the div then that would work. Having said that part of my hack meant that you should have most of the text on a dark blue background anyway. The fact that you don't bugs me. I'll give it another kick and see if it helps.                               Puppy's talk page01:17 30 Jan
Ah - my bad. I took out a background colour on my “behind” div while experimenting and forgot to reinstate it.                               Puppy's talk page01:22 30 Jan
That fix got 'er done. Aleister, meanwhile, has blocked not only his ears but his mouth, see above. Spıke ¬ 13:27 30-Jan-13

Enjoy the silence.                               Puppy's talk page01:30 30 Jan


Hi you keep undoing all my changes. and ill admit, the one about the black people was pretty stupid. However, the changes to the Washington state page were very funny in my opinion, and I don't understand why you reverted them.

I explained that one on your user page. In fact, after reverting your first three edits, I sought the intervention of one of the site's Admins, and two other non-Admins have intervened with helpful tips to you. For starters, everything you type is not automatically funny; you need something in mind, some plan for making the reader laugh. More so when it tweaks issues of black-versus-white. Especially when you change something inside brackets, which is the name of an article that exists, to something that doesn't exist, or write "compton" and I'd have to go in and capitalize it anyway, it's easier to undo the change if it isn't funny, and these so far haven't been. Spıke ¬ 00:41 31-Jan-13


Since no admin is around, do you know how to get into a locked forum code? "Funnybony has 40 features" is the name, and I want to copy the start of it on some other site where Funnybony has just gotten his 40th. Thanks. Aleister 00:49 31-1-'13

It's editable to me. Even when it is "locked" there is a View source button where Edit should be. You always have access to the code. Separately, that is not the name. If you want to cite a page, cite it correctly--better yet, link to it so I don't have to use our horrible search feature. Spıke ¬ 00:56 31-Jan-13

My view doesn't have the view source, but I'll look again. On another topic, you know, with all the idiots and bots and things floating around, we should really just admin all four people - even Puppy who really doesn't want it, and Simi who I don't know what the big fuss is about her because I haven't seen her help out here very much since the move. But how about we make a push to admin all four of you, so the ban button could be in other people's hands when no admin is on-site. Aleister 1:00 31-1-'13

Puppy and I have both stated that we would be happy with whatever the Chief Justice decides. Simsie is mostly at the Fork and Mn-z is mostly happily creating content, but I think they wouldn't object either. "We" are not going to make a push, as I am not going to make a push to change the rules in the middle of the game. But you are welcome to give your opinion to the Chief. For the record, if I had the ban button tonight, you would still be stinging, edit-conflicting me twice on my own talk page so you could respond to Groucho before I could and continue passing yourself off as a Negro to lay a guilt trip on him. Just 10 minutes so I could get horrible T-Mobile to turn my post around. It is taking nearly a minute tonight. Spıke ¬ 01:09 31-Jan-13
Passing myself off as a negro? Well my good sir, my good sir!! And I got that thing done, thanks for opening it. Ol Black Betty 1:18 31-1-'13

Groucho, meanwhile, is in again. I comment on his talk page, but will leave it to one of youse to give him the deserved revert if you agree. Spıke ¬ 01:21 31-Jan-13

Great Library of Alexandria

The page is looking and reading really good. I knew it would be a saveable article, with all your work on it it's a classic of the (library) genre. I just saw an IP edit dogs, which reminded me I wanted to polish that page and make it better than it has a right to be. Alright IP! Aleist 23:29 1-2-'13

Um, yes. He removed one excess space, then added, and I quote, "Dogs are cool." Rolled back. Library is unbegun except to show what I would do with it: blur concepts of primitivity together, incompatibly, with the US capital district. Spıke ¬ 23:45 1-Feb-13
But dogs are cool! At least the bigger ones. I'm actually helping to raise another wolf (80%, the rest german shepard and there's speculation some coyote got in there somewhere), he just celebrated his 1st birthday and is a gamer. Are you going to continue on the Library? Is it open to play on it with you? Aleister 1:00 2-2-'13
The veracity of his statement was never in question; only the funniness. Yeah, go play in the Library. I hope you preserve the style of dryly getting all the facts wrong, unless you have something brilliant in mind. Spıke ¬ 01:07 2-Feb-13
No, nothing in mind. Thanks, I'd like to collab with you on such an auspicious page. I'll play on it sometime this weekend, today my time here is running short and I am "runnning long for the pass" - to quote Randy Moss, the self-styled best receiver in American football history (at least one of the top five). Aleister 1:11 2-2-'13
If "self-styled" matters, I am a laureate. The problem with this article is that most everything in the Wikipedia counterpart fails the Mnbvcxz test of either using something the average reader will be familiar with or providing non-generic laughs. The only material I found for satire was Caesar's burning down of the library, and the suspicion that librarians "borrowed" texts and returned the copies, both already taken as far as they deserve. Spıke ¬ 01:17 2-Feb-13

Good new directions, Aleister. This trend could continue until the article is as long as needed. I post-edited you and added another section. Please find me a generic photo of a classical building to replace the red-link! Spıke ¬ 12:59 2-Feb-13

Heil to the Chief

I liked that pun (which I can now say given VFS drama is over).                               Puppy's talk page05:02 04 Feb

Oh, you intended that to be spelled that way? Sorry! Going by the Change History in the privileges log, Chief seems to suggest that you are one of the two winners of the process. Catch up with you tomorrow. Spıke ¬ 05:09 4-Feb-13
  • 22:03 . . ChiefjusticeDS (talk | contribs) changed group membership for User:Simsilikesims from autopatrolled and rollback to autopatrolled, rollback and administrator ‎(VFS winner, unlucky!)
  • 22:02 . . ChiefjusticeDS (talk | contribs) changed group membership for User:SPIKE from rollback to rollback and administrator ‎(VFS winner, unlucky)
Not I.                               Puppy's talk page05:47 04 Feb
Yes, you--if you take my meaning. Spıke ¬ 03:06 8-Feb-13

Sourcing UnNews

In reference to what you said on Kevillips talk page, I don't think uncited sources are necessarily bad. Anonymous sources appear all the time in news stories, aka "sources close to John Doe" or "someone not authorized to speak to the press." --Mn-z 22:53, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

It used to be part of the instructions that if it wasn't based on an actual story to cite locally or not cite. You should always cite though.                               Puppy's talk page10:57 04 Feb
The phrasings Mnbvcxz uses are sometimes seen in the real news. The passives that Kevillips has in his UnNews are not. The assertion that "It was reported today" does not read like news at all. If "it was reported" by UnNews itself, it works out to, "We insist, without telling you the basis, that...." If someone reported something to us, it damages the superficial resemblance to news not to disclose (or make up) the name of the source. Spıke ¬ 23:02 4-Feb-13
PS--As always, the goal is not to adhere to a style or to be Good Journalists. The goal is to maintain a superficial resemblance, so the reader is sucked in by the impression that he is reading real news, and so that you can screw with his mind with the details. Spıke ¬ 23:03 4-Feb-13
I would be flexible regards UnNews style since I see it can stretch from a piece you would see in the WSJ to a tabloid like the Daily Mail. I also like parody news in the style of Private Eye , i.e. using an old fable etc to make a modern news point. Perhaps a revision of UnNews house style could be looked at to encourage a broad range of writers to try their hand. UnNews to me is a way of encouraging writers to stay with a site like this. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 09:45, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
If an author wants to parody a tabloid or the Enquirer, no problem. What I sensed here is lazy inattention to detail. (Not meaning from laziness but perhaps just not getting around to it.) As this detracted from the superficial resemblance to news, it's worth commenting on, and easy to correct (and the author has). Spıke ¬ 10:40 7-Feb-13
Speaking of which, it's around 11 months since I started the last Pee Buddy awards. Maybe something to revive, given we have the best and most prolific UnNews writer, the most featured writer, one of the most featured rewriters, and one of the two most prolific UnNews narrators still on site. It probably won't run on the fork, given Lyrithya hated me running it last year, and it's something we're in the prime position to run. Any thoughts?                               Puppy's talk page10:16 07 Feb
It is a month since I apprised the Rev. Zim ulator of our status and he has not seen fit to visit. Spıke ¬ 10:40 7-Feb-13


I have a suspicion that the above nomination might not have been created with the best interests of the wiki in mind. --Mn-z 20:50, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

That puts it mildly. To the good, I hear that all the recent mischief on this website is a result of an absence of excitement on the impostor site. Spıke ¬ 20:58 5-Feb-13

The vote on the proposed content warning

Sorry for the oversight. I intended to add it, forgot where it was located, and thought to myself “must go back and add it” and then got sidetracked. Completely my fault. I've bumped it up as it is a viable option, whereas the last vote item is definitely not.                               Puppy's talk page12:08 08 Feb

No offense taken. Only, when I added my own option, I styled it as an afterthought. It might look peculiar when not occurring last. Spıke ¬ 03:04 8-Feb-13

Why is the block button there?

In recent changes, I shouldn't be able to see that. ...--Sir Peasewhizz de New York (Chat) (Stalk?) 00:43, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

It is intermittent. It has been doing so for a long time. I can no longer even help debug it because I always see it now and that isn't a bug. Bizzeebeever believed it was a problem with MediaWiki ("#blamewikia"). Spıke ¬ 03:04 8-Feb-13
Wow. gay.--Sir Peasewhizz de New York (Chat) (Stalk?) 03:25, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Snowstorm of 2013 did you brave the storm? Any damage? Al 00:20 10-2-'13

Pretty well, thanks for asking. Snow well above the knee; car parked down by the street; got it out and went to the store and could do so again if I want wet pants again. Winds probably reached hurricane force overnight; I woke up and heard the wall of the house being sandblasted, but if any limbs are down, they are under the snow. I have a guy plowing me out--last, perhaps tomorrow--at a bargain price. No loss of electricity here, otherwise I would be nursing laptop batteries and not on-site much. I have an audio for the UnNews of Obama shooting "skeets," but uploading it from home is impossible. There are 400,000 without power in New England and apparently 3 feet in some places. Spıke ¬ 00:30 10-Feb-13
Apropos of nothing, do you think you might give Mr. Natural a push? Spıke ¬ 00:33 10-Feb-13

Good, at least the power stayed on. Now all you have to do is make some of those snow angels and drag out the sled. Mr. Natural, oh, joy. I checked recently to see if Crumb was still alive, haven't seen anything of his lately. He is, and his wife dragged him to France which he hates. A strange duck. But maybe the page has nothing to do with him, I'll give it a quickie but am signing off soon. I just gave Shirley Phelps-Roper a once over, and added the news that her two daughters quit the church and got out of there. Al few minutes later

Yes. I read in RecentChanges that GOD HATES FAGS but it doesn't say how He feels about Goats. Spıke ¬ 00:58 10-Feb-13

p.s. I just took a quick look and can't do it now, too much to contemplate and change around to at least give it coherence. Later this week perhaps. --- Whoops, it's yours, I actually just took a very quick look thinking it was some IP's or something. Tomorrow, I'll truck with it tomorrow, am too unfocused now.

I just googled “Shirley Phelps-Roper”. After Wikipedia and a twitter account, we're the third result. People looking for her will visit here before going to WBC. That makes me happy.                               Puppy's talk page12:59 10 Feb

And what they will find when they come here will be a pink kitten and a warning notice not to go inside and read the article if they know what's good for them, which will break the fourth wall and ruin any benefit of them thinking we are anything like a wikipedian information source. Can we all band together and ask wikia to remove the warning notice? This is a prime example of why it should be removed, for the good of all humanity. GOD HATES CONTENT WARNING NOTICES, and is the scourge of noncensors everywhere. In the meantime, how about finally getting Puppy's content warning notice up in place of the kittens, but that doesn't solve the problem. I'm not going to tell you who this is, or even what time it is. hahahahahahahahahaha, you will never know who this was, WE ARE ANONYMOUS AND WE ARE LEGION AND GOD HATES ANONYMOUS AND GOD HATES TIMESTAMPS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

On Bing Shirley Phelps-Roper isn't on the first three pages, but James Bevel shows up second. On Google Bevel is down the page. These engines must use very different criteria. Al 14:01 10-2 (and on Reading, England, I didn't realize you initiated the page, or else I wouldn't have moaned about it)

(After being outside getting plowed out) Yes, I know; before long, web searches for the entire Tea Party movement will come here first. You don't have to back off on the grounds that I wrote something; simply, if you want something done, don't describe it by writing "bleh" or such, even though precision is the legacy of Dead White Men and you are a soulful Negress from Mississippi with an unfortunate resemblance to Al Jolson. Spıke ¬ 17:35 10-Feb-13
You're right - all search engines use different algorithms. I focus on google when looking at SEO as that has been the most popularly used engine. I assume it still is, but I've never bothered checking. That, and Bing drives me up the wall with the way it does video search. Although I should point out that according to Alexa only 40% of Wikia's traffic comes from search engines.                               Puppy's talk page06:23 10 Feb
Bing lost me with its map of a residential district on the north side of Chihuahua, Mexico, which bore no resemblance to reality. Bing, like the Fork, might have no business plan; its way forward is to rely on the fact that someone else has a business plan. Spıke ¬ 18:46 10-Feb-13

Renaming Forum:A suggestion

I'd rather you didn't. Only because the naming of a forum is done by the forum creator, and as such it's effectively part of the initial comment. Similarly there's a forum about the wiki “moving” that I suggested was a misnomer. I'll ask them to rename it, but I'm not about to change it myself out of politeness. But back to Forum:a suggestion, the person who started that forum has an antipathy towards us already - let's not poke the bear. Or beaver. (Insert beaver poking joke here.)                               Puppy's talk page01:32 11 Feb

Understood. Separately, though, Mnbvcxz changed the subject with his self-styled "rant" about the utility of having multiple sites holding our content, which is a separate topic and deserves a separate page. (Yes, I know you are not he.) Spıke ¬ 13:42 11-Feb-13
Meh. Given it's had minimal response, probably no point in creating a separate forum for it. Although odd that it's the same argument that I used for the validity of the mirror to the two main instigators of the fork. And they ignored that argument.                               Puppy's talk page02:06 11 Feb
Of course a website owner is going to argue against multiple locations. Once the community realizes that they don't need a given a website, effective "power" of the webhost vastly decreases. --Mn-z 14:58, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Response to

Anonymous users are not entitled to an explanation, but I revert any Anon who just takes a list and simply make it longer. If you want respect, pick a username and stick around--in order to actually build funny pages and not just put your mark on one. Spıke ¬ 00:56 12-Feb-13

Wow. That's a lot of totally new (and random) policy you just attempted to impose on a new user their SPIKE. I can't say I approve of the suggestion that the IP needs to attempt to win anyone's (let alone yours) respect. They also do not need to create an account to edit on Uncyclopedia. There is also no policy RE "Anonymous users are not entitled to an explanation". Why are you making up this shit SPIKE? Looks to me like you are becoming a bit of a dick tator yourself mate. Yep. I just gave you a kick in the balls mate. Judging by various other things I'm seeing you do around the wiki you apparently need it. MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 01:07, Feb 12

I did not intend to create any policy. Anon stated via Change Summary "give reason for reverting edit" and I gave it. However, my only goal in creating talk pages for Anons is to induce them to register. My respect is not an issue, though Anon seemed to be assuming it with his request.

Apart from not understanding a joke of yours this afternoon, what have I done that seems dictatorial to you? Spıke ¬ 01:20 12-Feb-13

What else? Just about everything I have seen you do so far since I have returned to this site. MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 01:23, Feb 12

Oh, I see one thing, the block of the Anon who re-created Power Rangers S.S.S. Regarding "dick tatorial," I asked Puppy about this case, though I did not follow his recommendation but aligned with the length of a previous ban. Spıke ¬ 01:25 12-Feb-13

I'm not going to make you a list. Not right now anyway... Anyway, my opinion is only that. My opinion. You are free to value it as you see fit. MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 01:31, Feb 12
I'll jump in here, with all due respect to MrN, who I would love to spend hours at the pub with talking about the computer simulated universe and the 911 theory that proves the computer simulated universe, but I must give my testimony. Since a few weeks before the fork I've been here almost every day, and have watched Spike guide new users through their first pages, fight the good fight on the forums and the talk pages, single-handidly hold up entire areas of this wiki, and, after being attacked like a dog by some users before and after they left, hold to his priciples. If I were to pick a Most Valuable Player on this site since the fork forked, it'd be Spike. He's taken the arrows in the front and back, pulled them out, and used them to write with. This has been my impression of his work, and he's one of the reasons I still edit here. And he does this all with a crippled internet connection and a bowlful of Quinoa by his side. Aleister 4:13 12-2-'13
I have to agree with MrN9000, banning users or talking to them the way that you do is not a good practice. If you want them to stay, you have to show patience with them in order to let them learn how uncyclopedia works. Sure they have limits, but you are bringing your foot down far too quickly and will scare editors away very quickly. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) Icons-flag-au 04:59, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
Spike is still learning the arts of adminship as we have all done. My own guess is that allowing new users to start adding on to a list is a sure quick way to create article rot and with only a few of us active here, that can mean this will be missed by people. I am sure the reason why we have so many log in but so few stay (this was true before the split) is that new users are expecting to see a good articles here. Very often they hit a button and come across a page that looks terrible. The good ones will try and improve it but others then think 'oh, this is the house style so I just add my bucket of random to it.' --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 07:23, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with everyone, because I like to please.                               Puppy's talk page09:35 12 Feb

It was wrong of me to couch things in terms of the Anon's "respect"--again, he hit me the wrong way with his demand for an explanation. But it was wrong for my old mentor Mr.N. to mix it up on Anon's talk page, then to file a further charge when I moved his remark here, until Anon began playing us against one another. Frosty; you are right about scaring new editors away, in this case, but wrong to portray it as the typical case; Aleister, thank you for your remarks and for being observant. Let's move forward from this. Spıke ¬ 13:21 12-Feb-13

If you would like to explain my error I would be interested. Or... We could forget about it now. It's not really sporting to say "You are Wrong MrN". and... "I want to move forward from this". the same breath. :P MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 13:34, Feb 12

I think an Admin should discuss a disagreement with another Admin separately rather than countermanding him with a scolding on Anon's talk page or in the block log. That is all. Spıke ¬ 13:38 12-Feb-13

Well... Your actions affected actual real users. I needed to act quickly to undo the mistakes you had made. The comments I made on the IP's talk page correcting your incorrect suggestions of policy needed to be read by that IP. I have no idea why you thought it appropriate to move my comment from the IP talk page. The IP you banned for a week for recreating deleted content also needed to be unbanned. I could have had a nice little chat with you on your talk page prior to doing the above. I'm sure we would have had a nice little debate about it all... I could have asked you if it was OK to unban that person you banned for no reason... Meanwhile 2 potentially good users would be leaving the site. Sorry SPIKE. I don't mess with the judgement of other admins on Uncyc very often, but when I do I will think first of the User and then the ego of the admin. MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 14:02, Feb 12
The children! For pity's sake, won't someone think of the children?                               Puppy's talk page02:15 12 Feb
Why? Do the children ever think of us? Let them rot in their self-created living hell of slides and sandboxes and toy train sets, all made of shiny red plastic.Aleister 14:17
Yeah. When I was a child I had to make do with half a brick and and empty cola bottle. Bloody kids and their bloody plastic today!                               Puppy's talk page02:36 12 Feb
Did you find the cola bottle on a walkabout? Al
No - it used to be my father's. It was passed down from generation to generation.                               Puppy's talk page02:52 12 Feb
Okay. I don't have the bottle but I still have the half brick. Send me your address and I'll mail it to you.                               Puppy's talk page04:34 13 Feb


Thanks for putting up with me. As a well-meaning (but hopelessly inept) n00b, I realise I may be a bit demanding. But I would like to ask a few things, and I hope this is the way I'm supposed to do it:

1. Is it any possible way in which you could provide me with a template of my most recent edit? I had intended to continue working with this page this very afternoon, but by that point it had been reverted back, and it seemed a bit daunting to start over again. If you could also tell me how to access this template without disturbing the page as I work on it, I would also be grateful.

2. Is there any additional means of contacting the admins other than editing their talk page?

3. This isn't as much a question as a statement: I thank you for your patience, and I assure you that I am trying my utmost to be droll and not just dumb. The first time I tried my hand at Uncyclopedia, my formatting was so bad that people assumed I was a vandal (well, that, and that my user name containing the word "troll"). So thanks once more, and have a good one.

PS: Is it true that Uncyclopedia is moving to a new domain, or have I just been misled? --TrollzinSpace101 (talk) 16:54, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

This being a wiki, nothing of yours that is reverted is ever lost. By using the History page, you can retrieve any page at any point in the past. Use this with care, because editing a page from the past implicitly deletes every change made since that date.
I see that the most recent things that happened to Bronies is that an anonymous user I assumed was you blanked it, and a veteran Uncyclopedian restored it. So your work should still be at the page address.
You are free to email me. However, conversations that concern the wiki or articles should be public.
Yes, many of our Admins and editors have withdrawn to their own website. It is our web host's sensible policy that their resources ought not be used to divert traffic away from them, and I support it. Spıke ¬ 17:10 13-Feb-13

Future-proofing dates in articles with {CURRENTYEAR}

Just thought of doing this. Every new year we end up with a bunch of articles that have out of date dates on them. For instance, an anon just brought my attention to Beady_Eye#Rivalry_With_The_High_Flying_Smurfs_.26_Olympics_Closing_Ceremony.27:_2012-2013, which didn't have the -2013 at the end. Anon added that, but I then changed it to {{CURRENTYEAR}} which will future proof it (to an extent). I'm also thinking of creating a template that allows for adding a certain timespan to the current date and time for similar issues. Given you post-edit stuff fairly regularly, and have an eye for this kind of detail, I thought I'd run the template idea past you first. (We may in fact already have a similar template, but I'm not aware of it.)

Although on the topic of time templates, I copy pasted {{Countdown}} from {{wp:Template:Countdown}} and intend to tune it up a little, but this may be useful to avoid votes running ad infinitum. The next step is to create a voting template - similar to VFH template - that incorporates this as part of it.                               Puppy's talk page02:44 15 Feb

This smacks of artificial intelligence, about which as I say the big drawback is not that it isn't artificial. If an author wants to make an era of his subject extend from 2012-Current, he could write it that way. Using wikimath could give him the option of writing an expression that, say, always rendered as the year number of last year, keeping an article current, and there's nothing wrong with that; but the only real way to keep an article current is to edit it from time to time. That lets you work in allusions to current events and fads too. I don't know that we already have such templates. But I'd expect that we have copies of the Wikipedia templates that let an Infobox display a subject's age and keep that current.
I saw your countdown on the vote on the Content Warning. That's a useful way to declare and enforce a rule, one which fights the urge to procrastinate. Spıke ¬ 02:54 15-Feb-13
I would agree about extending articles into the future. I can't preemptively write next year's UnNews now. Writing about the near future requires that the article be updated. Dated material is OK in UnNews, since outdated news stories exist in the real world. However, an article shouldn't be describing John McCain's future victory in the 2008 presidential election. --Mn-z 11:42, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
You're both wrong. You're acting as though it's 2013!                               Puppy's talk page11:45 16 Feb
My comment was a generic one on the unwisdom of writing articles that try to update themselves. If someone wants to try, I've got no problem, nor if you want to write tools. (Just document them, and put the documentation somewhere where we can find it!)
Separately, I apologize for PotR's hour of effort, but I did delete the Undictionary entry on red Indians as still being nothing but racism without humor. I'll give our regrets to its creator. Spıke ¬ 11:54 16-Feb-13
Don't stress about the effort. I liked two words out of that Undictionary entry, and tried to scrape something out of the rest of it. Destined to fail on that one.
As for M-z's comment - I'm looking more at articles that have the ugly "2010-present" or similar attached to it. It's just an ugly way of writing and looks un-encyclopaedic. This is a potential solution that doesn't involve updating it constantly. But I agree - for topical articles, which is what UnNews is, thee is no way of creating it for a future event, and they shouldn't be dated for beyond the present, or updated beyond when they were written (but can be revamped to improve the writing). For things like a crappy band article that are doing nothing new, this works. (When they do something new, then we can change it.)                               Puppy's talk page12:01 16 Feb
Down to quibbles now: "2010-present" looks plenty encyclopedic and better than an article that leaves the story at the year in which the article was written. Wikicode expressions are one solution. Spıke ¬ 12:08 16-Feb-13
Separately to Puppy, I find that one of your two Redirects on QVFD is linked to all over talkspace, and the couple I looked at don't use templates. Spıke ¬ 12:08 16-Feb-13
You must have checked the wrong page (because there are three pages with very similar names). Try Special:WhatLinksHere/Legal_Department/Summons. That only links to QVFD and pages that transclude QVFD.                               Puppy's talk page12:14 16 Feb
I stand corrected; Summons doesn't stand at all. Spıke ¬ 12:18 16-Feb-13

Category:Forums created out of slight overreaction not created in 1927

This is a single-use joke category used on a forum article. The fork recently deleted their version of it. However, removing the category from the forum topic would bump the forum. As a more drastic step, what if the forum topic itself was deleted? It really isn't serving any function. --Mn-z 12:34, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

A typical navigation tool that pranks rather than helps the reader. "Don't crack wise." Put it on QVFD, please. Never mind, I've got it. Spıke ¬ 12:41 16-Feb-13
However, that still generates a red link on a two year old forum. More importantly, it adds a "wanted category," which some maintenance editors dislike. Although, I personally prefer a red link to stupid navigation link to an existent stupid navigation link. --Mn-z 16:08, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
I am willing to accept that pages locked for two years might have red-links. I don't know how to fix it on the page without, as you say, bumping it in the list. Spıke ¬ 17:11 16-Feb-13

User:DeeJaay Batoushai/Don Bosco

I found this on pee reivew, and it looks like schoolcruft. "Don Bosco" is some obscure Roman Catholic saint. From a quick wikipedia search, it looks like the various schools are unrelated Roman Catholic schools who happen to use the same patron saint. From the article, it looks like the school is pre-college, so it would not would not be allowed on this wiki. As a general rule, college articles are allowed, high school articles aren't. --Mn-z 17:59, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hold on, will investigate between basketball games--I think I talked to the author about this. I don't think it's prohibited by rule. (Find me the rule?) Spıke ¬ 18:47 16-Feb-13
I don't think there is an actual rule, because the community likes to crack-wise with the policy pages. However, I do recall there being a convention against articles on high schools, as high schools lack notability. There may be an exception is the high school in question is notable enough to have a wikipedia page. --Mn-z 19:26, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
Notability (UN:CM) is the only reason we'd go against it unless there is vanity/cyberbullying. Even non-notable schools could be saved by great writing, which I don't claim this is. I remember now. What we have is a non-native English speaker, working on an article in his own userspace, and notably declining to mainspace it yet. He hasn't been around since Christmas, when he couldn't decode VFH voting and wrote an article on Shampoo, emphasis on Poo, that I told him didn't appeal to me. My opinion for now on the article is It ain't hurtin' no one where it is. Spıke ¬ 19:42 16-Feb-13
The saint is not completely obscure. I don't remember a lot about him, but I seem to recall he was like the Baden Powell of Saints - he liked to foster young boys and turn them into men. I think the policy - as far as it stands - is we can have an article about a school as long as it's accessible and funny. High school articles are rarely accessible - almost always made up of in-jokes - and as a result rarely funny. They also tend to become an opportunity for cyberbullying, creating a “Mr Winkler is gay” style of humour.                               Puppy's talk page01:26 17 Feb
This Don Bosco is claimed to be a chain of schools in India. There is no cyberbullying of named individuals (except a quote from a specific rector, just in case the article were running low on inside jokes), so it ain't hurtin' no one where it is--and it isn't ready for mainspace.
In other news tonight, Aimsplode is trying to get himself banned by abusing QVFD, like we're going to huff Reverend Zim ulator's talk page to help Aimsplode continue covering his tracks. Spıke ¬ 01:48 17-Feb-13
I recall the saint from a bunch of Catholic boys homes in Australia. I haven't read the article in question here, but if it's in user space and it's not UN:CB, I don't care. I noticed the Aimsplode movements. That gif you may as well delete - I am in the process of putting together a better one in its place.                               Puppy's talk page02:24 17 Feb
Sub the new one into that UnNews and I will. Spıke ¬ 02:27 17-Feb-13
Done.                               Puppy's talk page04:30 17 Feb
And Done. Spıke ¬ 12:58 17-Feb-13

What is with Aimsplode's QVFD of everything about anyway? --Mn-z 17:51, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

On a surface level, he may have understood that nothing is ever really deleted on a wiki, and may regret his former role as chairman of our local chapter of the Hitler Youth. It is bizarre that his attempts to change his identity and cover his tracks are punctuated by a candidacy for Admin. On a deeper level, he is attacking the website by trolling us and diverting us from useful work, as he was with his candidacy, and as MrN9000 is with his attempt to "heal the rift in Our Community." Spıke ¬ 18:19 18-Feb-13
I don't think MrN9000 is trolling, so much as he was a different opinion of how the site/project/whatever should be ran. Or rather, he came to the discussion late, and where the rest of the fork userbase was mid January. --Mn-z 18:37, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry; his shift from manufactured hysteria over my banning of two Anons (above on this page) (which persisted overnight and cannot be attributed to alcohol) and his current silver-tongued appeal for family unification has exhausted my assumption of good faith. This is yet another attack on the website. It operates by diverting us from useful work. Spıke ¬ 18:54 18-Feb-13

VFD maintenance

VFD seems to be full with several articles with relatively high numbers of delete votes. I am not sure what rules were are using now, but if you get some articles off there, we could add more articles to delete. --Mn-z 18:45, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'm on it. Spıke ¬ 18:54 18-Feb-13
(Whew!) It's down 2, to 13 now, which means there are 7 available slots. Like finger sandwiches at a VIP reception, don't take 'em all. Spıke ¬ 19:26 18-Feb-13
Strike your nomination of Terms of Use and it will free up another slot. Spıke ¬ 19:32 18-Feb-13

Invalidate combined VFD vote on Unquotable articles

The VFD on the unquotable reskins is getting keep votes based on some users wanting to keep a couple of the reskins. I would suggest that since the community does not like voting on them as a block, that the VFD nomination be invalidated and re-nommed as individual articles. --Mn-z 14:10, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Good call. I'll do exactly that. Spıke ¬ 14:12 20-Feb-13

Final Solution

I was going to move Apple the Great's article to Final Solution (proper capitalisation), but it already exists as a redirect to Holocaust. Can you huff the redirect and move the new one to its place, please? Thanks. --Snippy 03:29, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Done, here and in the VFH entry. Don't know why it is a proper name, but that is how it is on Wikipedia. Spıke ¬ 03:45 19-Feb-13

User:Abuse filter

Apparently, this bot, ran by the owner of the fork, is still active and banning ips for arcane, although possibly valid, reasons. (Yay for cracking-wise with the navigation tools!!!) While I don't know what it does, I don't think an unmaintained computer program should have the ability to ban users. Also, it is perma-banning IPs, and I was under the impression that IP addresses should not be perma-banned, as they change user from time to time. --Mn-z 16:18, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with all of the above, and also because the abuse filter typically reports "Reason: Someone did something." I recently raised the same issue with an Admin (I think shortly before I became one) and did not get an answer. Cannot find that query now, even with Google, shortly after finally finding the reference for your last completely-valid-but-hard-to-search-for point, the one concerning {{OWQ}}. Spıke ¬ 16:34 19-Feb-13

The abuse filter is at Special:AbuseFilter "Something something" means that somebody tried to create a page with a slash, and spam pages often start with slashes. As an admin, I think you can disable it since no-one here knows how to operate it. --Mn-z 16:58, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for finding that. "Something something" does not mean that; it means nothing. For starters, I have eagerly changed the "Public description" to "Anon tried to create a page starting with slash". I think it suffices to inhibit the creation and not block the user, but I won't do that without wider input. (Sigh! Open a Forum?) Spıke ¬ 17:10 19-Feb-13

Could you set all the abuse filter setting to public? I don't see a reason to keep them super secret. --Mn-z 17:16, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

I can see one: Greater knowledge of what exactly is being filtered is a tool for more effective attacks, for example by seeing a bug in the RE code that I am unlikely to see. But I am improving (includes: making more truthful) the description of each that I can understand. Spıke ¬ 17:19 19-Feb-13
PS--Regarding the perma-ban of IPs, this is indeed not our usual policy, especially for infractions that are ambiguous as to malice (and an Abuse Filter cannot discern intent). I see on the page many redresses other than banning, but I do not see any bans other than a perma-ban. Spıke ¬ 14:00 20-Feb-13

Aimsplode's Talk Page

It IS his talk page, normally old stuff gets archived, but that should be left up to the discretion of the user. I would be inclined to leave the talk page as he has it, the old stuff in his talk page can be found in the history anyways. At this point it seems pointless to block him since as he has stated he intends never to return. He HAS done this before though, and at least he isn't trying to redirect his talk page somewhere else this time. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 02:50, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Apart from the over/under on how many consecutive days Aimsplode can tell us this is his last day here forever, I was taught (by MrN9000 himself) that users are generally not free to unsay what they have said (except by strikethrough) or force researchers to comb through the history. On a related note, Aimsplode has been wasting Admins' time filing junk QVFDs, covering things like Forums where he has expounded on his Hitler envy, that he must know we will not delete. There is also the fact that he reverted me, and with the snarky Change Summary: Revert "admin"....MY talk page. Not yours. Mine. Thank you. Sorry; if he is leaving forever, he does not need anything here to be "mine."
Indeed I do not intend to ban him or do anything else that would provoke a campaign of orchestrated misbehavior from the other side. But Aimsplode, with his unique history of writing no comedy but creating dozens of forums, trolling, and using this site (and even a straw campaign for Admin) for attention-getting, uniquely requires that we keep it easy to look up what he said when. Spıke ¬ 03:17 20-Feb-13
Considering all things with Aimsplode over time - and that he is banned at the fork - I side with Spike here. Though he 'hasn't returned', Aimsplode is creating pointless work for us to fix which is disruptive and means we have to be alert to what he is upto. These I believe have been grounds before to ban a user. If he just stuck to his own page, then that would be fine but he isn't. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 07:31, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
Regarding this, as far as I am concerned Aimsplode can do pretty much what he wants to his own userspace, if he wants to blank both his user and talk pages to show how angry he is then he can do that. Adding pointless stuff to QVFD is the only irritating aspect of his behaviour, if this persists then a ban may be in order. At present I don't think one is necessary. --ChiefjusticeXBox360 07:58, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
I was of the impression that mainly "unsaying what has been said" is not allowed in ongoing discussions (as opposed to discussions that are already over) and not allowed in forums. Deleting past discussions on a talk page that are over seems to me kind of like making a talk page archive and then blanking that archive later - pointless, but mostly harmless. It is true we need to keep an eye on Aimsplode, I haven't been around enough to monitor what he put on QVFD lately. If he is QVFDing stuff in his userspace that is one thing, but if he is trying to QVFD stuff like forums or mainspace pages that he created that is quite another. The tax season is slowing down some so I may be on more often soon depending how many hours I get at work or not. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 06:25, February 21, 2013 (UTC)


Hi. For a short period the interwiki wp has been turned off. Can I get you to move this to IWP:HOTCAT before Tim (the lovely fellow at Wikia) turns that iw back on?                               Puppy's talk page12:32 21 Feb 2013

Done. Now what's with the new namespace? Spıke ¬ 00:35 21-Feb-13
Also, does this one need Sysop-only protection for moves and edits, unlike the others now in IWP:? Spıke ¬ 00:41 21-Feb-13
It's all good. It stems from a complaint that the pre-forkers had relating to Wikia introducing that iw prefix. The concern was we “lost” half a dozen articles. What we actually lost was half a dozen redirects and that article. As far as I'm concerned they are all VFD material, but putting them in this temporary faux namespace allows us to review and determine the efficacy/quality of these. If any of it does survive VFD style of checks, then we'll look at a better location.                               Puppy's talk page03:56 21 Feb 2013
At your leisure. Do you realize the "Hot Chicks" one is missing the colon? Spıke ¬ 04:06 21-Feb-13
Yeah - I wanted to move it for the moment anyway just so that when I did a prefix index for "wp" it stayed out of the equation.                               Puppy's talk page09:25 21 Feb 2013

Unquotable:The Founding Fathers

This page shows what combining George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Ben Franklin's unquotables into one page would look like. All three of those pages are short, Thomas Jefferson's is particularly bad.

Also, on Unquotable:Aristotle, there is an exchange between Alexander the Great and Aristotle that is a parody of star wars text. While it is mildly amusing, I don't think it goes on a quotepage. --Mn-z 14:21, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Responding to stubby pages by combining them is valid, and turning the former pages into #REDIRECTs is something you can do without a vote on VFD. However, we have Admin Simsilikesims expressing support for the namespace, so as a preliminary step you should discuss your strategy with her so as to avoid anyone's impression you're trying to work around her.
On Aristotle (wasn't Socrates the one who taught by interrogation? See also Dave Thomas), the dialogue indeed does not fit in Unquotable. It is almost an UnScript. Here again, though, it might be good to air it out with Simsie. Spıke ¬ 15:05 21-Feb-13
Creating a better Unquotable from three less quality ones is different from a debate about the survival of a namespace. I can't see this being an issue.                               Puppy's talk page10:10 21 Feb 2013
The edit itself is unassailable. Doing it in the middle of a campaign to eliminate a namespace that an Admin has risen in defense of simply requires a little circumspection to hold the team together. Spıke ¬ 22:24 21-Feb-13
One thing I would say though is that creating redirects from the existing three articles is essential. This maintains article history and as such attribution of original authors. If you haven't already I'd highlight where the existing content came from in an edit summary on the new page.                               Puppy's talk page10:38 21 Feb 2013
Drop "The" from the page title? Illustrate by Shooping Oscar Wilde onto Mount Rushmore? Spıke ¬ 22:48 21-Feb-13
Syphilis is not hereditary , but it can pass from mother to child, aka congenital syphilis. --Mn-z 15:02, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
See also, "Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children." That's far from original. Also, I invite Puppy to the Chief's talk page, regarding abuse filters, and you're invited too. Spıke ¬ 15:34 22-Feb-13

Forum:Names of Admins in various lists--making it a user option with @import

I'm having issues with the import. When I do a full copypasta to my CSS it seems to be fine, but when I try doing an import it dies. I'm not sure where the issue is, and I'm having network issues at present which is making my page loads very slow.                               Puppy's talk page12:44 24 Feb 2013

The only documentation I have here (for CSS1) says that you have to code:
 @import url(...)
That's my only guess. Spıke ¬ 00:57 24-Feb-13

It should work with or without the url(…. I've tried both anyway, but still stumbling.                               Puppy's talk page12:59 24 Feb 2013

Ah - it appears that goes through MediaWiki parsing, which kills the value as a CSS. To get around it you need to import the raw CSS, which is Either that, or some fairy magic was involved. Either way, that import now works.                               Puppy's talk page01:15 24 Feb 2013

Though rather harder to explain to the newbie than a cut-and-paste! Spıke ¬ 01:20 24-Feb-13

“Click here and press Save                              Puppy's talk page01:58 24 Feb 2013

Well, that is easy to explain. But does preload insert at the start, or pre-load the entire edit window (preventing this hack from coexisting with other contents of my Common.css)? Spıke ¬ 02:19 24-Feb-13

preload fills in the entire edit window, but section=new ensures that it adds it at the end of any existing CSS, assuming there is any. Unfortunately {{#ifexist}} doesn't work properly with Special:Mypage.                               Puppy's talk page02:56 24 Feb 2013

You don't want section=new if it's still true that @import has to precede all other CSS. Or if you get a pair of == stuck in the middle of your CSS. "We are now confused on a much higher level than ever before." Spıke ¬ 03:53 24-Feb-13

Yes. It does. Which means my nice idea won't work. Bollocks. Maybe just "Copy the following text: @import url("");. Now paste it at the start of your style sheet (located here)."                               Puppy's talk page04:55 24 Feb 2013

I've described this in UN:HAX. Spıke ¬ 05:33 24-Feb-13

Uncy of the Month

Thank you for your nice words about me on the nom page. To thank you properly I've ripped my vote away from you, polished it up, and given it to somebody else. Remember those years when you won every Goldstein Award, and then somebody made the people vote to end it? And UnBooks author of the month, that was one of my favorite awards. Maybe when you are an admin you can bring them back. Aleister thanks again! 24-2-'13

Ah, yes! thank you for doing that. I had not thought of bringing more awards back, not even one for me to win every month. I had thought about the fact that we have only as many (hyper-)active users as awards, and are destined to have month after month of award-giving incest orgies until we get a solid second tier of contributors. Spıke ¬ 21:42 24-Feb-13
Hopefully not, maybe more people will come back once they realize there are two ships at sea sailing under the same flag. Aye aye, a pirate ship we be. Al 22:03 24-2-'13
I'd hold back on re-introducing awards at the moment. Beyond NotM, the awards generally recognise long term writers, and those awards that the current user base are likely to get are the awards the current user base have already gotten. Given we give them as an encouragement - and I don't think any of the current user base need to be encouraged - they are slightly redundant. My thoughts - beyond NotM, I'd been waiting until March to see how the landscape lay. At this stage I'm thinking push them all back to “of the quarter” awards. We don't need mastabatory self-congratulation voting on a monthly basis. I already suffer from vote fatigue.                               Puppy's talk page11:15 24 Feb 2013
Vote fatique? You don't vote on VFH, where it counts for something. What are we going to do about VFH, we'll going to have to talk about that soon. And I see nothing wrong in monthly awards as deserving people like yourself are earning them by holding this place in perfect workiing condition. Just because there are less people does not make it any less important. Yeah, a pirate ship we be. Al 23:49 24-2-'13
The opportunity to publicize y'all's efforts and note that you are not just working for your own satisfaction but appreciated by others, is more important than actually giving or receiving the awards, which at this pace we will all soon have five of each of, by the time the others straggle back from pay-to-play Froggypedia and claim that all of our medals have asterisks attached to them. Spıke ¬ 23:56 24-Feb-13
Pats on the back to all of ye, aye, a pirate ship we be. Froggypedia and Spikeopoedia, two halves of one island. Aye. Aleister minutes later
Also, Mordillo is not around to ban me for the day for "using" an awards page merely to say nice things about other contributors. Spıke ¬ 00:03 25-Feb-13

I can't add any comment to the latest Village Dump Topic

I wanted to add a comment to the "who's staying' topic in the village dump....--Spqr Sir Claudius CUN VFH (carpe diem) 23:22, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry; I shut it down, citing mutual trolling in my entry in the Protection Log. I am anxious that folks here write funny articles rather than continue the inquiry into the details of the Fork's incorporation documents, which in any case won't change anyone's mind; the Forum was attracting trolling from the other side; and nobody cares who's staying. Sorry you didn't get the last word. Spıke ¬ 23:30 28-Feb-13
That's okay- I opened a new forum on the Village Dump, if people want to comment they should- and hopefully you don't mind that too much. Just coming back after so long it pains me to see such division in which we now have two sites with less than 500 active users...I'm not going to the new site- I think that is absurd- I think they should come back here and stop all this fucking around, excuse my French.--Spqr Sir Claudius CUN VFH (carpe diem) 23:37, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
I do mind. I am sure you think you are a peacemaker comparable to none other here, but the old Forum was attracting taunting and jousting, and detracting from writing, and this one willl eventually do more of the same. They are not coming back from the new site; they own the new site, as they will never own Wikia. My opinion is that all the froth about Content Warnings and advertising is what you get when you work in a company with departments other than the creative department, but if that is how one feels, so be it. Separately, you should consider that the apathy that reduced us to under 500 is not all the result of the Fork but was the subject of much hand-wringing before the Fork came about. Still separately, next time do you think you could inquire about a decision before defying it? Spıke ¬ 23:48 28-Feb-13

Category:Uncyclopedia history

You're probably already aware I just created this. You may want to add it to your watchlist, as nothing should be added to this category that doesn't meet a communal consensus for historical value. (Kinda like how we don't add Category:Featured unless it has been featured.) it doesn't reflect on WL, but it means you get emails if an article is added, depending on your email settings.                               Puppy's talk page12:15 01 Mar 2013

I could not imagine a better way to formalize a bad decision. Maybe what I wrote at VFD today is wrong: Maybe we are a museum. Spıke ¬ 00:22 1-Mar-13
I concur with Spike. This wiki doesn't exist be a museum of itself. --Mn-z 16:01, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

It has happened in the past. It'll continue to happen. This is a purely a method of keeping track of this annoying category.
Actually, that gave me a thought. That abuse filter you added to pick up on external links - can we also add one for Category:Featured or <youtube> being added to a page? I'd rather not stop it, but a tag in WL/RC, along with a “Are you sure you want to do this edit?” style of warning would be a decent idea. (I think that the YouTube links acts similarly to an SEO bump - hence we regularly get then added to Spambox.)                               Puppy's talk page12:31 01 Mar 2013

No… the FA cat filter won't work as it's generally added via transposition - which I do want to do something else about. But the YouTube idea is still valid.                               Puppy's talk page12:33 01 Mar 2013

Technically, we can do all of those things.
We cannot make conditional the tag written to Special:RecentChanges. If you want a different tag, you're talking about using a different filter, though we have a few spares.
The test "Added a link to an external website" should include the <YOUTUBE> syntax, which essentially does the same thing. Spıke ¬ 00:59 1-Mar-13
PS--AF17 now tests for UNIQ2a91d76f66240f89-YOUTUBE-0000000A-QINU THIS as of 1:12 UTC (but will catch edits to a line that already had a YOUTUBE on it. Also recoded to not excuse edits that both add and delete external links. Spıke ¬ 01:17 1-Mar-13

Also recoded to catch lines that have spaces, like < YOUTUBE Rescinded. Spıke ¬ 02:02 1-Mar-13

PPS--AF17 is tweaked after a flurry of false hits today on a user under 4 days old trying to edit his own user page. Documented on the Chief's talk page. Using heuristics to prevent edits either to articles thought part of our heritage or to Featured Articles is dicier. Even FAs can be brought up-to-date, though they ought not be tugged in a completely new direction by a relatively new user; but we should continue guiding that using the Patrolled flag. Spıke ¬ 01:16 2-Mar-13

While we're on the topic of old stuff

Can you move:

back into the forum name space? As articles they are VFD material. As Forums they belong in a different namespace.                               Puppy's talk page03:01 02 Mar 2013

Moving those back to the forumspace may bump them to the top of the forums. Also, these articles seem to have been re-created, since the forums were created in only one edit by MadMax. That, in turn, implies that the forums were deleted at one point. They are linked to from a navel staring article from 2006, an article by Meganew about 2006 navel staring, a list on a bot's userpage, and the above links. The pages probably could be deleted again without bothering anything. Again, this site does not exist to be museum of itself. --Mn-z 07:57, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
I don't agree with your perspective, mainly because this site is not a museum of itself. But it's history is important in that it has built it to this point, and will help guide the site going forward. If you have a preferred location to keep our histories, then by all means place them there. For me, adding them to forum, user space or Uncyclopedia space is ideal - this is the kind of place we should keep our histories. Deleting our own histories means losing track of where we were and, as a result, what we've become - and therefore where we're headed. These forums were kept for a reason, but closed as forums for a reason.                               Puppy's talk page08:37 02 Mar 2013
This isn't so much a history of the site, as an archive of forum banter from 2006. Maybe these articles should be moved into someone's userspace, like Benson or Powershot dude. Or, perhaps they could exist as a subpage of Uncyclopedia vs Powershot, Flamewar of the Ages, which is itself borderline vanity, as is almost everything in Category:Records of Notable Flamewars, but I digress. Anyway, those shouldn't be in mainspace, but I don't think the forum is the best location either. --Mn-z 09:12, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
Er… they are subpages. Subpages still pop up on “Random page” though.                               Puppy's talk page12:10 02 Mar 2013
I thought subpages didn't show up when you hit the random page button. On a related note, the random page does hit UnNews, but the UnNews sidebar only links to random unNews. --Mn-z 12:12, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I have now unprotected them (see below) and anyone can take the three to VFD (hint, hint). Spıke ¬ 12:23 3-Mar-13

No, I won't move them. Someone saw fit to write a mainspace article, based on pointless Forum banter in 2006 (I arrived in 2009), applying slight fictionalization to the names of actual Uncyclopedians, and copypaste actual Forums underneath as examples. If this decision is to be changed, it belongs to VFD, where I would vote Symbol delete vote Delete based on absence of general interest; it serves the desire of the writer for notoriety and does not serve the reader at all. I believe that that is why you want it out of mainspace. Spıke ¬ 13:38 2-Mar-13

That, and the fact that edit protection means the links to user space stuff can't be removed from a main space article - albeit subpages of. The problem is that the article itself is pretty good, but the sheer navelism suggests it belongs in a namespace. These forums don't add any value to the article, IMO, but given they are subs of the original they either should be deleted piecemeal via VFD, or moved out of main space area. Although I still think I managed to poke fun at a forum dispute much better - which then created not only a feature but a new namespace.                               Puppy's talk page03:34 02 Mar 2013

The article doesn't have special protection. The subpages did; I'll correct that and you can send them to VFD, where it will be more persuasive to show where the same stuff still exists in the Forum, if these subpages are indeed copypastes by MadMax. Spıke ¬ 15:48 2-Mar-13

My question is, should we take Uncyclopedia vs Powershot, Flamewar of the Ages to VFD? The article is about forum banter from 2006 between a guy who was here just to banter and a communal sockpuppet, who was also here just to banter. This isn't meaningful "site history" but rather an inside joke. A paragraph about Benson's actions on some real history page might make sense. --Mn-z 12:28, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

You might have to make that case to Simsie. I'll be voting Delete whether the question is the subpages or everything. Spıke ¬ 12:36 3-Mar-13

Village Dump page is broken

However, the previous version of the page seems to be functioning normally. --Mn-z 19:31, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

I see that. It seems that what is broken in the current version is the DPL (which is a language for extracting stuff from Uncyclopedia master lists and turning it into code with which to build a page)--Puppy said he had independent confirmation that this is the case. However, all that changed from the previous version is that Lyrithya (in 2011) put a link inside a named SPAN. All this does is identify it for possible special style through ground rules such as Common.css, and no one has been poking around there in the last two weeks...except...gulp! But it doesn't and didn't have a special rule for these #talkforum links. Spıke ¬ 20:08 3-Mar-13
And note that the main page is now unbroken. I wonder if this has something to do with changes not yet propagating to all the servers. (Or to working in a software development facility in Poland and switching over to a new software version late Friday afternoon a short time after the boss comes in with the beer.) Spıke ¬ 20:11 3-Mar-13
BHOP is still broken. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 01:25, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
Yes it is--and in a distinctly DPL way. Sannse said something about having to refresh, presumably meaning something more than one's own cache. Or they could have broken it again, who knows? Spıke ¬ 01:32 6-Mar-13

ToU issue on Zynga

Hey Spike. As you're here at the moment, or possibly just left... I'll leave this for you. There's an article at Zynga that goes somewhat over the line in the whole "threats of death and destruction wrought on employees of a company that's pissed someone off" department. It's not so much humor, more crazed ranting (although, obviously, the two can be hard to distinguish). So I'm going to remove that section (and one particularly pornographic image) - and maybe you could give the rest of the page a once over? I only scanned the rest, and have a severe humor deficit this morning, so no idea if it's a candidate for deletion. But I'll clear out the slightly scary ToU violation bit, and, as I said, the pron. Let me know if you have questions -- sannse@Wikia (talk) 18:13, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Apart from the fact that ex-employee rants aren't funny (nor are anything that strikes the reader as that), I'll look at it. Spıke ¬ 18:38 5-Mar-13
PS--Oh, my. Company owes me $40. Let's all track down the customer-service rep, here's his name, and kill him. A laugh riot. Only, what you left is just as bad as what you took out, including the notorious c-word that you've ranted about previously. And I don't know enough about the joint to write anything funny. I'm going to VFD it and we would welcome your vote. Spıke ¬ 18:43 5-Mar-13
I just did a quick rewrite but can't decide if it's funny or not. Check it out here. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 01:26, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
(I tried reviewing this, after I responded to you in the previous section, during the 3-minute break between volleyball sets, but that wasn't even enough time to realize you had not edited the mainspace article, which was still assaulting my eyes with the c-word in its first sentence.) I've found it now, and what you have is a vast improvement; it drops the butt-hurt customer angle, but that's fine, and it seems to be based on understanding of the website that I don't have. I did something comparable recently at Poptropica (emphasizing the website's financial exploitation of its young users). At Red Hot Pawn (with Puppy) (for the clique member at this chess-based website), and Inland Empire (for the sports fanatic), we had a similar problem of distinguishing a ridicule of an eccentric person, from the work of an eccentric person. Spıke ¬ 03:23 6-Mar-13
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