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New stuff at the end, please; I'll make it fit into the section organization after the topic dies down.

Is this about UnNews or UnNews audio? If so, talk to me here.

I don't routinely put a Watch on other people's talk pages. Nothing personal! I endorse keeping a conversation together on a single talk page, but a few days after the conversation ends, I will Unwatch you--the alternative being endless false alarms.


Anything typed here I may post-edit clerically. Typically, I combine parts of dialogues that took place on the other guy's talk page. Some conversations that pertain to the text of an article are moved to that article's talk page.

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User:Kamek98/Lu Bu

Is there a way to move Lu Bu to my userspace so I can make an article?--Sir Peasewhizz de New York (Chat) (Stalk?) 23:45, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Done. There were several references to it, which were double-redirects and now are broken. You have the power to return it to mainspace when ready. Spıke ¬ 23:50 4-Jan-13
Jeezus, Eric, then you continue editing, re-creating it in mainspace! What is the point of asking me? You are on your own. Take one of the two pages to QVFD. Spıke ¬ 23:59 4-Jan-13

I wasn't expecting you to move it that quickly actually, haha. My bad, dude.--Sir Peasewhizz de New York (Chat) (Stalk?) 00:01, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Should I stay or continue on the new site?

I don't know which, maybe you can help me decide?--Sir Peasewhizz de New York (Chat) (Stalk?) 00:33, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Why would I help you decide? I view you as a budding politician rather than a technician--down to nominating me for numerous annual honors and immediately capering over to my talk page to try to extract maximum political benefit for your actions--and I believe that the more mature writers and admins--who don't view interaction with a corporation as ingestion of poison--are staying here. I encourage you to migrate to the "new" site and see how sucking up to the autocrats works for you. I think the first time the "new" site goes down for a week, and you get nothing but ridicule followed by a ban for "disruptive comments," you will become a somewhat wiser suck-up. Spıke ¬ 00:41 5-Jan-13
I have never loathed you more than I do right now. -- Kip > Talk Works Puzzle Potato Dry Brush CUN Icons-flag-us 02:37, Jan. 5, 2013
If SPIKE doesn't want to migrate to "Boobiepedia", let him stay here. The new site might go down, hopefully not for a week, but it might just take off and become successful too. It is his choice after all, and his grouchiness (see above) and sarcastic humor might not be welcomed on the new site anyways. I plan to edit on both sites, in case this site starts censoring anything remotely offensive I'll go over there, and if that site goes down, I'll spend some time editing over here. It's not like I write major articles, unlike some. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 04:11, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Spike!!

You can get you name in lower case at the new site. I think you just sign up for an account, and then have someone transfer everything to the new account. I also intend to go between both of them, and maybe over there the drama could have a new start. Me and TFK are best of buds on the new site, he is the light of my life. You too, come by and we all can hang out there too. Pretty good energy there - but no search engine will reach it for quite awhile. Al 23:23 Uncy's 8th Birthday

Who needs search engines when we have each other??!!!??! :) :) --Littleboyonly TKFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Oldmanonly 23:25, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
True, so true. Spike may be up for a three-way, or more. I'm busy that day, but Socky, who doesn't want to put the boobs back on his user page, may be up for it. He's now gay, and that apparantly happened right at the transfer, like someone beaming up on Star Trek and getting his preferences scrambled in the transporter. Aleister minutes later
But there is an (inactive) account here as Spike (as well as SPIKE's first account, which I remembered welcoming and then getting thoroughly confused). If all the accounts have been ported over, the User:Spike should be there too.
And you're being naughty. How dare you criticise the new site! It's not as though people who were voted in as caretakers have now claimed ownership of a site that was never theirs to begin with! And given they are administrators on both sites whatever you do on the new site - or say about it here - is definitely not grounds for a ban. It had to do with your arrogance. I don't know where you get such behaviour - do you see any of the admins here being arrogant at all?                               Puppy's talk page01:53 06 Jan
Ok I'd just like to clear up the misinformation here in case SPIKE is actually interested in getting his username changed on the new site. 1) All of the account information is there (edits, password, etc) but the account doesn't "exist" until that user logs in for the first time, so PotR's concerns about those other accounts are unfounded 2) DO NOT DO WHAT ALIESTER SAID, just sign in with your main account and request that somebody do a name change. Creating an account with the username you want will only make life harder for the person changing your username. Ok now that that's cleared up, carry on. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 02:55, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
What are you on about, Aleister? O_o Sir SockySexy girls Mermaid with dolphin Tired Marilyn Monroe (talk) (stalk)Magnemite Icons-flag-be GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 03:02, 6 January 2013
Oh. Zombiebaron is correct. Until someone logged in as “Spike” or created that user account, that account was only there in potentia. As soon as someone goes over and creates and account using a user name from here - such as Chronarion, Stillwaters, Hardwick Fundlebuggy, etc., then they become that identity over there.
My apologies. Going back to previous statement, the account “Spike” now exists over there. Glad to see that the attribution there can't be manipulated at all.                               Puppy's talk page03:14 06 Jan
I believe the reason you were allowed to create User:Spike was because it has no contributions. I just tried to create an account called Zombieminion and it told me it was in use. Also, thanks for mucking up SPIKE's name change on the new site. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 03:21, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Just testing the capacity of the security. It appears that you're correct. I'm curious to see if any of my socks are still barred on the new site. Including those that had no contributions, but allowed me to send emails to other users. As for the name change - as soon as SPIKE asks for the password the account is his. (For obvious reasons I'm not going to publish it here.) It won't be the first time we've had a name change via account creation. If you want me to teach you how to then amend the attribution to the new account just let me know. Something I never thought of doing until Lyrithya told me it was possible and how it was done. (Probably a mistake on her part, in retrospect.)                               Puppy's talk page03:32 06 Jan
Naw don't worry about it, I just renamed User:Spike to User:PuppyOnTheSpike. So there should be no problem giving SPIKE his name change. Thank for offering to help though! -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 03:35, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
I can't work out if that's an allusion to impaling, gay bestiality, or processed meat products. New site appears to be a success - done more edits there this year then I have here.                               Puppy's talk page04:08 06 Jan
Yeah, the new site is rockin'! Did you hear TheLedBalloon is writing a new article there? -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 04:23, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Just to clear up the misinformation on the misinformation. The password is not on the new site until you enter it when logging in for the first time. Wikia doesn't give out passwords ever. You give it to the new site, an extension there verifies it by logging in as you here, and then creates the new account with that password. OK, now that that's cleared up, carry on. -- sannse@Wikia (talk) 05:01, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
I'm just getting ready to start a new article here TBH.
Sannse: I understand that it's a hashing algorithm that's used to preserve password security. I'm assuming it's an MD5 hash. Lyrithya stated that given a database she'd be able to “hack” the password, but I doubt she'll have much luck doing that.
ZB - Serious question: It's been stated that nothing done here will be moved to the new site, and vice versa. Given both sites are operating under NC-BY-CC-SA, any individual user can grab the content of a page and transpose it at the other site, as long as they comment during the transposition where it has come from, and that would be legally permissible. Obviously administrators can undo or delete these entries as a gesture of goodwill, but that's the choice of said administrator. Also any admin could, at any time, export and import a page from one to the other. We've never had a policy that restricts this in the past - both Al and Lyrithya have articles that are near identical here and on Illogicopedia. Are you going to “officially” add a restriction on porting content to the ignorable policies of the site? (While at the same time allowing users to happily modify their own articles on both sites?)
As an adjunct to that, if a user has edited pages on one site, which has later had edits by another user, are you going to allow them to port them from one site to the other? (Or, to rephrase, if I rewrote a page here and then said “Can you import it?” would admins be willing to do that? Or would it be simply a given that intermediary edits may come across with content without proper attribution in page history?)                               Puppy's talk page05:20 06 Jan
I'm not really sure what you are talking about. You seem to have misunderstood talk about the practicalities of moving the wiki for discussion of some kind of future policy change. What we meant when we said that we would stop moving things done here to the new site was that we were ceasing to copy all new edits. You can copy any material written on this site post-January 3rd to the new site (with proper attribution of course). -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 05:30, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Apparently this page isn't the village dump. Of course, each time I add content there I tend to be ignored or dismissed. Here there's an interesting discussion happening. But I understand some of the difficulties in migrating a fork - I seem to recall doing a similar thing myself. My question was on the policy aspect. In short, the policy is to have no policy - in which you reserve the right to take future edits from here and move them to your mirror. Which is pretty much the crux of what I was trying to understand.                               Puppy's talk page06:03 06 Jan

Dear SPIKE

If you choose to stay on the Wikia site (or even decide never to contribute to either the new one or the old one again because of your conflict with TKF), I will miss working with you. You have a precision in editing that reminds me to be careful with my own crappy compositions, and I enjoy coming up with javascript hacks for you at the drop of a hat.

However, I will never forgive you for lumping me in with your description of "children with the Entitlement Mentality". Yes, I realize you didn't mention me by name, and you'll probably say "if you think I was referring to you, you fit the bill." However, unlike the rest of the "99%" generation, we didn't camp out in front of Wikia's swank lobby with protest signs, shouting and throwing feces at them as they passed. Well, we did, metaphorically—but then we got off our asses and built our own server, so that we could run the site more freely than under our current corporate overlords.

Unless I'm mistaken, freedom of expression and an attitude of self-reliance aren't things reviled in the New Hampshire or America as a whole. I seem to recall reading a book about a group of entitled, whiny merchants and politicians who became pissed at a corporate entity around 200 years ago or so, and decided to strike out on their own. I can't recall for the life of me how that ended, but I also don't believe anyone has called them "entitled children" since Lord Fredrick North's time. Am I making an undue comparison between a successful revolution and a dispute between a poorly-run company and a bunch of failed comedy writers? Yes. Yes I am. And I stand by it. ~ BB ~ (T) Icons-flag-usSun, Jan 6 '13 5:51 (UTC)

BB, you'z a crazy revolutionary. I challenge you to a duel on the banks of the Potomac, be there at sunrise tomorrow and wait for me. As for Spike, I would hope all parties involved agree that it is a new start, that people will treat each other better at the new site, and that maybe that stuff on the voting page for WotY there be removed. Spike is one of our backbones (the second verterbrae I believe), does so many saves and helps new and veteran users, and he was a long way ahead in writing the most features in 2012 (the next closest, TKF, was three behind. That's like Secretariat running backwards and winning at the Belmont, which he did in fact). When Spike signs up at the new site I hope TKF and others slaughter the fatted calf and welcome him with open arms (and legs). Aleister 11:38 6-1-'13
I hope so too, IF Spike chooses to sign up at the new site, knowing him. Maybe its better to wait out this ban while the drama dies down, and the bugs on the new site get worked out. You didn't actually think everything would be running perfectly when it opened, did you? Nothing ever works out quite that well, unfortunately, knowing technology. Meanwhile, the username "Spike" is available on the new site, which seems to me to be a sign of goodwill. Please, Spike, do go check out the new site, even just to reserve your username and take a quick look around. As with any new site, there will be a measure of confusion and chaos but there's a bug report forum for that. The Batch Delete function also isn't working over there yet, so don't go over there just to request that all your stuff be deleted from mainspace (like a certain user did). A vote on that might be in the works. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 22:27, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Spike will be able to speak for himself when he serves out the ban. I don't think any user can request to have their material deleted on those grounds. Articles can be selected for deletion on VFD but only the issues we are all aware of - i.e. not funny, not any good, town cruft etc etc. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 23:12, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Actually any user can, but the administartion has chosen to not delete a user's body of work until a community consensus is reached relating to this issue, and until they have their batch delete working. Also, does Godwin's law also relate to the American fondling fathers?                               Puppy's talk page11:18 06 Jan
I guess they were the guys shut out from the original committee. Then there were the Foundling Fathers..the ones abandoned on a door step with the note 'I was going to expose my child to wild beasts on a mountain but this place looks as good as any other for that purpose.' --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 10:36, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

UnNews and how it is running

Since my recent return, I have tried to figure out who is running UnNews at the moment. Unfortunately, noone seems to know who is in charge of what. I believe your still active with UnNews, correct? --Mn-z 19:01, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Right now, I don't know as that is one of the issues to be decided this week. As you can see, Aleister and the others are posting stories on both wikis so it is really only a question about who organises the template. For now, I will oversee it. I will updating the UnNews template page today. Thanks. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 19:10, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
My main concern was that someone was updating it here. Also, are you guys updating the featured article too? Because of the possible decrease in membership, keeping VFH running might get difficult. --Mn-z 19:13, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
Welcome back, Mnbvcxz! Mattsnow and GlobalTourniquet, in that order, were the last two to step up for full-service Editor-in-Chiefing, until their respective schedules changed. More recently, Matt lobster has juggled the feature lists. I was sporadically active this fall but the news has not gripped me with mirth since, say, last November 6. Spıke ¬ 19:20 7-Jan-13
I will do the juggling in the meantime until we decide who wants to look after that page in the next few days. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 19:25, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
And there is a new featured article for Tuesday. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 19:26, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Grand Rapids

I just left the new building and saw that your Grand Rapids page is featured on its front porch. I think they left a light burning in the window there for you. Maybe I should nom one of my pages here, I don't know which are ready. Many are good, few are chosen. Aleister 4:10 8-1-'13

Sorry for the delayed response! Indeed, any records for Uncyclopedia in 2013 will have to have more asterisks than their counterparts in the 2013 miniature of the National Hockey League. Spıke ¬ 03:46 9-Jan-13
Sans Asterix DeGaulle. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 10:27, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
You could become Asterix in Chains....--LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 10:28, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

UnNews:ACLU silent on gun control debate

You are the first person from whom I would like to hear opinion on this. -- Kip > Talk Works Puzzle Potato Dry Brush CUN Icons-flag-us 03:19, Jan. 12, 2013

UnNews:Facebook introduces ‘Nookie’

Hey mate! I have pretty good one here. But if you can see any way to improve the first para or any part then please go for it. .... BTW: I really hope you're going to be Unnews editor again (like you were before the dickweeds created Prickipedia). Cheers!--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 16:07, Jan 16

For some reason, I jumped on this the moment it came up. The first paragraph did not read like news (Who? What? Where? When? How?) but as a sales brochure, a problem that persists in the use of the second person throughout. I have been over it with small tweaks and now a second Source regarding what the "Anal ysts" [sic] say about it.
Now back to you: Your fake name Nookie is based on nothing. A better parody of "Graph Search", given your take on the news, would be "Grope Search". If you agree, do a global-replace and rename the article. Spıke ¬ 16:34 16-Jan-13

Hey, good work! On the name, I like Nookie, because of the play on Siri (who will never answer simple questions like "How big are your nipples?"). Lets keep the Nookie name. Cheers!--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 17:00, Jan 16

You are the author, and thus I did not "be italic" on such a major change. But "Nookie" is a play on a related, incidental concept, whereas "Grope Search" would be a play on the news itself, which is preferable. Spıke ¬ 17:12 16-Jan-13
You did a good job with the edit. But we're not going to mess it up with a name change. This is as much a play on Siri (a girl's name and voice) as it is on Facebook. Facebook introduces grope?---fuck that dry impersonal BS! My concept is Nookie. If you want to write another news with Grope - well, be my guest, that's all yours. Cheers--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 17:35, Jan 16

Mutaween

extracted from the start of the previous section

We have a collab FA today with Mutaween, which is half yours. Cheers!--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 16:07, Jan 16

The feature belongs entirely to you! I contributed one small section by way of a segue to a minor pun (and you may keep me in the article's Change History), but did not even vote for it for FA, stating that "I continue to believe that awareness-raising is getting in the way of humor." If I had tried to smooth over the article to solve this philosophical disagreement, it would be a true collab; as it is, you are entitled to one full point in the Hall of Shame. Spıke ¬ 17:24 16-Jan-13

Thanks, mate! Much appreciated.--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 17:35, Jan 16

Ah! you see, you were offering me half of that last cupcake because you wanted the whole thing all along. A pleasure doing business with you. Spıke ¬ 17:37 16-Jan-13

Hey, I'm always happy to share. Although, I forgot that you didn't vote for Mutaween. Yeah, not voting is a major disqualification on VFH. But, much thanks for the help. BTW: Have you ever written anything in the real world that was published? Cheers!--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 17:49, Jan 16

Yeah, "I oppose this article but will happily take half credit." Separately, that could be the most demeaning question since you wondered recently whether I had ever been on the other side of the county line. In fact, I have hundreds of published books, none with my name on them; those are always the terms of employment. Spıke ¬ 17:57 16-Jan-13
Spike, I've always wondered, and this is a good time to ask it, if you can chew gum and write at the same time. Not to insult you in any way, but can you tell time? How many quarts in a gallon, I'm thinking you might not know. Mares eat oats, and does eat oats, and little lambs eat ivy - a kid'll eat ivy too, wouldn't you? Aleister 23:54 16-1-'13
"Spike: I understand you try to seem smart and economically competent. You are not. You neither understand what I write, or have the capability to restate any position I take....You really should try and stick to your own points rather than ride my and other posters' coat tails. If only you understood economics and finance as well as you think you do....You really are one of the lightest posters on this board....You should run in your Primary. You're the best they've got!!!" --Someone else, today, a continent away on another blog. Spıke ¬ 00:12 17-Jan-13
You know that that fellow was being an ignorant dick. We, of course, are smart dicks. Here's what I did way earlier today/yesterday, but it would look better if you sign up as a member there - then you skip most of the ads and get to see the avatars of each poster and lots of other fun stuff. But today I tried to create an urban legend, with maybe good results if anyone ever sees it. Aleik 00:19 17-1-'13
You have always been the most courteous leftie I deal with. Apart from a serious self-promotion Jones. Completely separately, please Forum:Reminder: Clear "Patrolled" flag. Spıke ¬ 00:24 17-Jan-13
Thanks, I am left-handed, although actually ambridexteriously. I had thought that it cleared automatically on an undo but apparantly not, and on one of them I had to clear it and then go back and undo it. Is there an easier way? Have you ever tried ATS? You may like it, in fact knowing you as I do I think you would. Many people of your irk post there, raving and sounding intelligent and more economically competent by the minute. I just looked at the site without signing in and it's horrible, ads everywhere, even between every fourth or fifth post. Some people lurk for years and then sign in, I don't see how they could look at it or make out what's going on. Aleister 00:33 17-1-'13
Rollback seems to clear it, but revert via Undo does not; it merely initializes an edit window in a particular way with a particular Change Summary. Separately, many of us do not have your allergy to advertisements. I am not presently looking for new forums to get irked by people of my "irk" [sic]. Spıke ¬ 00:38 17-Jan-13
A patrolled tag is removed:
  1. On an revert
  2. By clicking “Mark as patrolled” on the diff page (or on the page assuming it's a new page)
  3. By using BB's patrolling script
An undo won't remove it, but a revert won't allow you to give a reason for the undo, and can seem harsher when dealing with noobs writing with best intention but lack of skill. A decent scripter could probably create an “undo and patrol” tag/option, but that's beyond my capacity.                               Puppy's talk page02:04 17 Jan
I apologise for ilking you.                               Puppy's talk page02:07 17 Jan
I am not even contemplating going on IRC to get irked by my irk. Thanks, this is how I thought the Patrol tag worked. I use Revert only on I.P.Anon, and liberally when they make lists listier or add memes or quotes, but users with names almost always deserve a Change Summary and often deserve contact via talk page. Ideally, Undo (when done by a trusted=Autopatrolled user and not by the vandal himself) should remove the Patrol tag, as someone has patrolled the change and responded via Undo (whether he reverts it or uses the edit window to go halfway). Spıke ¬ 02:17 17-Jan-13
I also avoid the IRCsome corners of this site. And I agree, and was one of the things I was looking into a while ago - especially as a one click, type in rationale for undo, and submit type of thing - but I left here at a stage when nobody was actually bothering to patrol regularly. (Frosty excepted.)                               Puppy's talk page02:50 17 Jan

Headers are good

Just a thought related to the skin we have here. At present we have this in the MediaWiki:Common.css

/* comment boxes adapted from French Wikipedia. 
Applied to Forum and stuck here because making the colours match the skin is annoying. */
.ns-110 dd {
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
}
.ns-110 dl {
	border-top: solid 1px #BBBBBB;
	border-left: solid 1px #BBBBBB;
	padding-top: 0.5em;
	padding-left: 0.5em;
	margin-left: 1em;
}
.ns-110 dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #F9F9F9; }
.ns-110 dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl dl { background-color: #FFFFFF; }

This exceedingly ugly piece of code allows us to have the "boxes" in the forums here. This - oddly - is completely different to what they have at Wikipedia, and doesn't relate to the vector skin at all.

Also on MediaWiki:Sidebar we have the following:

* SEARCH
* community
** helppage|help
** portal-url|portal
** pump-url|pump
** irc-url|irc
** Uncyclopedia:Pee Review|Pee Review
** Uncyclopedia:VFH/summary|Votes for Highlight
** Uncyclopedia:VFP|Votes for Pictures
** signpost-url|signpost
** http://shop.uncyclomedia.co|E-store
** http://www.facebook.com/uncyclopedia|Facebook
** http://twitter.com/#!/uncyclopaedia|Twitter
** http://www.youtube.com/user/uncyclopaedia|YouTube

The final four of those items are off-site links - the first of which is a commercial entity that is now being used to raise funds for the fork, as far as I'm aware. (Assuming the $2.83 or so they raised can be considered as any form of significant income). All of these sites are also being used to direct readers back to the new fork.

The first is predominantly cosmetic issue. The second is probably more related to the external liks forum we were recently disucssing. Given my current status in some circles as the anti-uncyclo-christ, I'm loathe to do much more than raise this to the attention of other community members. Your perspective on this is probably along the same lines as mine. What action do you think would be advisable?                               Puppy's talk page08:49 21 Jan

Sorry for the delay; I looked at a change summary of this message once, and followed the link to common.css, but never saw the rest of your message until now. (And your darned signature doesn't display anything until one reads the source code; this is carrying Aleister's disdain for corporate life to extremes.) At one point there was an Uncyclopedia Store, with real UnNews coffee cups. The use of the very new .co domain is suspicious, as is the unusual spelling "uncyclopaedia" in the final two entries. I know some of the Forkers bragged about controlling the IRC channel and I know they view WP:Uncyclopedia as a battleground too. I would not be surprised if the final four links are controlled by the Fork as well.
If so, this is more theft by deception, against Wikia whose corporate efforts attracted readers to this site, and defrauds the reader, who never expects his mouse click will result in funds transferred to a privately owned parallel website with a copy of Uncyclopedia's articles. Further to our discussion on your talk page about the outrages of corporate life (against which the gripes of the Forkers are trivial): If you worked on the .co site, your paycheck would bounce. Spıke ¬ 23:53 21-Jan-13
You really do fit the mold of 'vulgar libertarianism'. You take the side of a corporation over the aspirations of people who simply desire freedom and to profit over what is rightfully there's. -- Kip > Talk Works Puzzle Potato Dry Brush CUN Icons-flag-us 04:03, Jan. 22, 2013
Comedy ain't supposed to be about the money, man. --Littleboyonly TKFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Oldmanonly 04:30, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I didn't say it was. However, Spike is arguing about money, and I'm saying if merchandise profits should go to anyone, it should go to us, not Wikia. On that note, most of our money will go to keeping the site up, so Spike is double-wrong. I like that. -- Kip > Talk Works Puzzle Potato Dry Brush CUN Icons-flag-us 04:37, Jan. 22, 2013
And the phrase "outrages of corporate life" is just gold. Ain't no stoppin the Spike train! --Littleboyonly TKFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Oldmanonly 04:56, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
This is SPIKE's talk page and not a common room to discuss him as if he was invisible. Thank you. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 08:38, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
Excuse me, but it is him who is ignoring us. I assume it's because of bad blood. If you notice a few sections up, I asked him for his opinion on a news article more than a week ago and he never responded. -- Kip > Talk Works Puzzle Potato Dry Brush CUN Icons-flag-us 09:45, Jan. 22, 2013
Look further up the page Kip. If I had left a comment like that on your user page, would that encourage collaboration or an acknowledgement? --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 13:37, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
Are you referring "I have never loathed you.." comment? I said that in a moment of anger. His comment was a summary of my entire beef with him: He believes our forking was an autocratic exercise in immaturity, while in the same breath he downplays any of the oppression we've been through with the cold Wikia. Anything after this is childish misdirected rage, for which I sincerely apologize. -- Kip > Talk Works Puzzle Potato Dry Brush CUN Icons-flag-us 17:35, Jan. 22, 2013

I love Stadtler and Waldorf. As for the date/time in my sig - I've set it up as a tooltip. (Hover over the date/time text.) Thank you for expressing an opinion when I asked you for an opinion. Much appreciated.                               Puppy's talk page10:10 22 Jan

Wa-hey! look at that! That is as subtle as double-clicking; truly "too clever by half." Regarding your first observation in this section: I am not at all attached to the boxes in the Forum--but neither at the notion that an exact superficial resemblance to Wikipedia is a key to our attempt to satirize them. Spıke ¬ 15:22 22-Jan-13

In light of all the rocks and sticks being thrown at you...

...I was wondering if you can cook? On a stone, or a stove, or an oven. Or do you use microwaves. Have you ever eaten out at a restaurant? Just wondering. Al 13:13 22-1-'13

Avoiding excess grease and sugar is now a higher value than bold new experiences, and a typical meal is nuked rice or couscous with one of those curry things stirred in. But there is a Chinese place (essentially a chippie) I often visit halfway to my favorite sports venue. Spıke ¬ 15:22 22-Jan-13
Oh. This was meant, of course (for those in need of humor, I don't personally find anything funny) as a joke, but great, you're eating good. At times in my life I've been "off" sugar for years and on for years (when off of it maybe once or twice a year I'd eat sugar while getting high on some kind of herb, and they mix as a hallucinogen). Am currently no-sugared since Sept. 18. Rice, cous cous, ah, the feasts of life. For a non-sugar treat, have you had Rice Dream (ice cream without the cream). Doesn't sound like you're vegan, but in the past year Amy's has come out with a rice-crust pizza with soy cheese that actually melts. Aleister 15:57 22-1-'13
I like your new user page header. Sent you an email, in case you don't check those often. I seldom check my Al account, but do so after I write someone. The guy who's doing the band page is really good, I hope he sticks around to do at least one original page so he can see if he likes writing in this style. Aleister 21:00 23-1-'13
Your email hasn't arrived yet; I poll every 10 minutes. I replied to you on his talk page, where I hopefully turned him over to you. Spıke ¬ 21:04 23-Jan-13

HowTo:Become A Rapist

Spike, you know what? The IP's edits on HowtoBecome a rapist are actually good, and I like the page a lot more after his edits. A lot. It shortened it, took out lots of the deadwood as well as parts the page both shouldn't be teaching and aren't that funny. I say we keep it as the IP edited it, and I'll see if any important links were deleted. Please take a look at the page when he got done with it and see what you think. But not now, all work and no play and that.Aleister 3:25 24-1-'13

I'll defer to you if you've actually looked at the result; I assumed it was just a blanker, perhaps a phone worker at a Rape Crisis Center on an evening when no one's calling in. It is a damned cold night to go out raping. By the way, your email never arrived. Good night. Spıke ¬ 03:34 24-Jan-13
Probably a blanker, but they blanked the worse of it in terms of being too-far out there and trimmed the page back to a very good version as versions go, maybe unintentionally, which is the same as intentional when the intent is right. Not a bad job. Email, will look into it later. A long and interesting day in uncy history. Aleister 3:42 24-1-'13

User:Projectmayhem666/Thailand

Made a plan of action, hopefully will get around to it. Struggling to find time, and when I do I'm usually distracted and finding it hard to come up with anything funny. Will Peereview and see if what I write is better than what is already on there. The preceding signed comment was added by Projectmayhem666 (talk • contribs). 18:49, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

OK. The biggest problems I see with the mainspace version is that the Fun Facts have gone out of control (as Fun Facts always do) and it could use more information for people unfamiliar with the local news, and less reliance on simple puns. Spıke ¬ 19:02 24-Jan-13
It feels like an attack article that exists to insult the subject, rather than an article that is trying to be funny. --Mn-z 12:45, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
The mainspace article is not terribly good, but not entirely malevolent; there's also some not terribly good Randumbo. Hence the effort to rework it, which 666 has graciously accepted. Funnybony lives there and turned down this assignment. I think the place is an autocracy where anyone who knows enough to write a funny article is safer not doing so. Spıke ¬ 12:52 27-Jan-13
I would agree with your reasoning. However, articles to attack to prove a point rather than be funny often don't off as funny. Thailand is in a relatively backwards part of the world, and is about on par, in terms of freedom, for the region. It sort of comes across like town-cruft, because there is nothing that sets apart Thailand, either real or imagined. An alternative similar article on Mubage or Kim Jong-un or even Vladimir Putin would work, simply because they are more notable. This one comes across, as a "same crap, different day" article. --Mn-z 13:14, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
I hope Projectmayhem is following this and getting a sense of what needs to be done. Spıke ¬ 13:38 27-Jan-13

Aleister chats up an IP

The IP had a point on the Primitive Taliban page, I left him a note on his talk page. We're getting some pretty good IP's the last couple days. Aleister 21:28 24-1-'13

I too have been encouraged by the stream of new contributors. However, Aleister, if you are going to chat up IPs (other than to ask good ones to register), please investigate the context. This one is a few digits down from Template Spammer (thus probably the same guy), who started in again this morning after coming back from a 6-month ban and picking up right where he left off. I don't care if this particular blind squirrel found an acorn in your eyes, the reward of your attention could be disastrous. Spıke ¬ 21:35 24-Jan-13
Alright. But I tried to tame him, and if he continues, yeah. Apologies, I didn't check into him but saw that he was trying to help on the Taliban USA page. Aleister 21:43 24-1-'13

I am wrong, he is not the perma-banned Template Spammer. But I assume that 198.228.228.21 is an incarnation of 198.228.228.40 and 198.228.228.32, in other words ban evasion. Spıke ¬ 21:46 24-Jan-13

Why don't we see if he signs up as a member and decides to respect people. Miracles happen. Al minute later

I can't predict the future. But I can see that what he does, as the Template Spammer does too, is make a lot of annoying tweaks to a lot of unrelated pages. If he is the next Solzhenitzyn, I will admit error. But engaging him is an enormous reinforcement even if your amended engagement merely directs him to register, and being the source of a disagreement between two registered users is an even bigger reinforcement. Spıke ¬ 21:52 24-Jan-13

PS--I think you got your wish. You now have an adoptee! Append to User talk:Kirbyfan1996 if you see fit. Spıke ¬ 21:58 24-Jan-13

Hmmmmmm. He's going to have to make a quick 260 on the respect level. We'll see. Al 22:09

...and Kirbyfan1996 appears on the scene

Hi, I'm new to Uncyclopedia. Like really new. I literally just made my account about an hour ago. I'd like help understanding why I'm on thin ice for a large series of trivial edits to pages. Including this page, I have only "made my mark" on two pages. Nor have I ever done anything that would get me banned from a web community before. I may not be the funniest or most creative person out there, and I'd like help learning how to convey my more creative side. But I just want to understand the criticism.

BTW, who's this Template Spammer guy? When I posted this on your talk page, I read the IP section just above it. If my computer's IP address is similar to your guy, it might be because I'm using InPrivate Browsing (I don't like cookies and other stuff from the Internet that automatically gets stored an causes problems as this is what happened to my last computer.) The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kirbyfan1996 (talk • contribs)

So you've read my welcome to you on User talk:Kirbyfan1996, and the previous section of this here page. Your registration as Kirbyfan followed a vandal attack by the guy I described to you. Aleister posted a message to him applauding one of his edits, I told him that was unwise, he edited the message to invite the vandal to register--and you turned up. If this is a gigantic case of mistaken identity--if you are saying above that this is literally your second edit to our wiki--then I am mistaken. (Even in that case, there is no harm in putting your best foot forward.) We are all here to help you be funny, and we can proceed on this talk page or yours, where I did give you one tip about your other edit. Spıke ¬ 23:05 24-Jan-13
PS--It has nothing to do with your IP address; ordinary users like me can't see your IP address when you use a user name. It is the coincidence in time that made me suspicious. Spıke ¬ 23:07 24-Jan-13
[Memo to self] The next day the Template Spammer returns, and makes a bee-line not for Kirby but Furby. I repeat my apology on Kirby's talk page. Spıke ¬ 20:29 25-Jan-13
Photo of a Furby from Aleister seen, and deleted so I don't have to pay to load it again later, or see it again. Who do you think you are, "self]"? Spıke ¬ 12:01 27-Jan-13

Thanks from Robstew

Hey, just wanted to say thanks for the feedback. This being the internet, I expected something completely offensive and nonconstructive. Your advice wasn't any of these things, and for that I am most grateful. I will definitely keep your revisions in mind. As you can see, the subaru page is still a bit of a work in progress. After looking around, I found that a different page about subaru was deleted by an admin. Hopefully with a bit of time, mine won't be.--Robstew (talk) 03:02, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Offensive and nonconstructive can also happen here; just above you see part of a debate about how to treat newcomers who don't register and who seem to be vandals. The weekend shift is undermanned at the moment because of the politics we all love, and those remaining are sometimes defensive.
You are also wise to contact me here: I had already concluded that you were in good hands and "unwatched" your talk page, meaning I would not have seen a message left there.
The edit Simsilikesims made to your article coincides with the list of comments I gave earlier. When writing, you must always decide who your reader is; here, it is a random person anywhere in the English-speaking world, notably the UK, Canada, and Australia. 2 out of 2 readers who cared to comment did not know who your auto-racer was; I am sorry to say it is just as bad for baseball stars. Recently I helped out on a new article on Rick Nash (the star of the hockey NY Rangers) by a butt-hurt Columbus Bluejackets fan, and someone else was ready to delete it as an article about a family member or something. A sentence with a summary of his accomplishments would help the reader relate to him (and you don't have to play that straight either).
Reading your talk page: You are perfectly free to abandon the article on "Subaru" in your userspace if you get a more promising idea. It was wise to look for other versions of Subaru--and, if you find them, study why they were deleted. (If it was by vote, read the debate. Also try my Rice burner.) You can upload any content you produce, provided you agree that it can be used for any non-commercial use subject only to giving you credit; regarding photos you take with your phone, please confine any vanity to your user page, a small amount to introduce yourself to other editors, not a catalog of everything you've done on the Web. Happy editing! Spıke ¬ 12:01 27-Jan-13

Rule 2

SPIKE,as a concerned American(WOO America!!!), I see you have deleted a lot of stuff. I don't think you are American.You are a Uncyclopedia Nazi(read Hitler). THIS , IS , AMERICA!!!! Idiot The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drfg (talk • contribs) 00:15, January 28, 2013

As an idiot, you may have missed a few subtle points
  • This is not America
  • You started a discussion by invoking Godwin's rule
  • Spike cannot delete any pages. He can edit pages. This is done for quality control. (A complete list of every pages Spike has deleted.)
  • Hitler is a terrible article
Pleasure to be of assistance.                               Puppy's talk page12:20 28 Jan
PUPPY, as a concerned Fiji Islander(WOO Fiji Islands!!!), I see you have berated Drfg and stuff. I don't think you are Fiji Islander.You are a Uncyclopedia Nazi(read Goebbels). THIS, IS, FIJI ISLANDS!!!! Idiot unsigned 00:15, January 28. 2013

Deleting is editing ,jackass.same to you on the nazi part.from reading your article you are a puppy fucker. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drfg (talk • contribs)

I think the edit in question is to Car, where Drfg added the bit in italics: "In 1879, Karl Benz patented his engine, allowing him to make the first car.He immediately regretted it and became a hippie." With no space following the previous sentence. We regard this addition as Randumbo and deserving of deletion. I had also seen your edit to your own user page, to-wit: "DRFG ROCKS!!!!!!! EVERY ELSE IS AN FUCKING RETARDED IDIOT,HA HA!!!!!!!!!EVERYONE ON THIS SITE HAS A SMALL DICK OR A PUSSY THAT SMELL LIKE RETARDED FISH." And to Talk:Onion, I quote: "Say something about how onion smell like ass." In brief, I did not expect quality edits from you and the one I deleted was not one. Spıke ¬ 00:40 28-Jan-13
Yes, I do fuck puppies, but that is a lifestyle choice. Anyway, to be serious, and I don't know the issues involved, why don't you pick a couple of your favorite edits that you are talking about and present your case in nice tones and with a hand of friendship extended, like an adult would (you can still have the other hand unextended and holding a stone-age knife, like I do). Then some of your edit, a word or two, can maybe go wherever it is you guys are talking about. Thanks, and if you calm the fuck down you can find a lot of good and creative people here who can give you a healthy learning curve. But what will probably happen is you will ignore my advice, get banned, and that will be that. Try to stick around, yes? Aleister 00:42 28-1-'13
May we vote? (Incidentally, you would be amazed how little of the time it works to tell someone to "calm the fuck down.") Spıke ¬ 00:47 28-Jan-13
We must try though. I have never calmed the fuck down when requested to, but miracles do happen (I just saw a Drew Barrymore film "Big Miracle", a pretty good movie), Aleister calmed the fuck down 00:52
Spike is right. Chill the fuck out is much more effective.                               Puppy's talk page03:14 28 Jan

Content warning

I thought I'd said this in the past but I might as well say it now. I like content warnings when done the right way. One of the best examples of this is the content warning on South Park. It's a very quick warning and shows a distinct lack of respect for the fact that it needs a warning. That splash of irreverence actually drew me into the show. I also recall that the Naked Gun series had a few gems in their end credits along these lines, and even Michael Jackson's Thriller referred to "...resemblance to any persons living, dead, or undead..."

Would I run the site without one if possible - yes. If we're going to have one would I make it as much of an indication of the site as possible? Absolutely.

As for the issues you're having with viewing - the images off shouldn't make an impact (and if they do they'll make an impact here but not when the content warning actually is in place - that uses real background html.) But let me know what issues you're having. I've tested across a few browsers and resolutions, but I'm aware that there's a chance I missed something. If it's in your CSS that's killing it, then that's a non-issue. Your site CSS shouldn't kick in until the content warning is dismissed. (Effectively it'll be fine once you've logged in.)                               Puppy's talk page12:12 30 Jan

I don't expect to prevail; but as the question is raised in a new place, I gave my opinion again. The whimsical approach is way too much about what we think about ourselves and not about the decision the reader has to make. On the CSS, almost all of my CSS is in userContent on my PC and thus takes effect for anything Uncyclopedia displays. But again, even when I disable my CSS, without images the text is light-light-light-gray on white. And disabling images should disable all downloads of images, whether through [File:...] or as a background image. Spıke ¬ 12:47 30-Jan-13
Isn't what we think about ourselves the same as what we want the reader to think about us? The choice is pink and kittens or scary lightning and Oscar Wilde. I myself loath and fear to come here, but here I am nonetheless. Almost time to eat, so I must be off to the races. Aleister 12:54
I will definitely pick navel-gazing over irrelevance (kittens), but I'd rather play it straight to a newcomer. Separately, I had a nice diced-ham-and-cheese vindaloo recently (sauce from a bottle, of course). Yesterday it was a loaf of bread dipped in pie filling. Spıke ¬ 12:57 30-Jan-13
Code talk. Al, block your ears. The way I've put together the page is a bastardisation of background image, which means the option of background image OR dark blue colour doesn't quite work. If I could add the image into the CSS for the div then that would work. Having said that part of my hack meant that you should have most of the text on a dark blue background anyway. The fact that you don't bugs me. I'll give it another kick and see if it helps.                               Puppy's talk page01:17 30 Jan
Ah - my bad. I took out a background colour on my “behind” div while experimenting and forgot to reinstate it.                               Puppy's talk page01:22 30 Jan
That fix got 'er done. Aleister, meanwhile, has blocked not only his ears but his mouth, see above. Spıke ¬ 13:27 30-Jan-13

Enjoy the silence.                               Puppy's talk page01:30 30 Jan

VFS

I see you're leading, if you get oppage. Congratulations.--Sir Peasewhizz de New York (Chat) (Stalk?) 21:51, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

ThePartTimeGroucho

Hi you keep undoing all my changes. and ill admit, the one about the black people was pretty stupid. However, the changes to the Washington state page were very funny in my opinion, and I don't understand why you reverted them.

I explained that one on your user page. In fact, after reverting your first three edits, I sought the intervention of one of the site's Admins, and two other non-Admins have intervened with helpful tips to you. For starters, everything you type is not automatically funny; you need something in mind, some plan for making the reader laugh. More so when it tweaks issues of black-versus-white. Especially when you change something inside brackets, which is the name of an article that exists, to something that doesn't exist, or write "compton" and I'd have to go in and capitalize it anyway, it's easier to undo the change if it isn't funny, and these so far haven't been. Spıke ¬ 00:41 31-Jan-13

Forum

Since no admin is around, do you know how to get into a locked forum code? "Funnybony has 40 features" is the name, and I want to copy the start of it on some other site where Funnybony has just gotten his 40th. Thanks. Aleister 00:49 31-1-'13

It's editable to me. Even when it is "locked" there is a View source button where Edit should be. You always have access to the code. Separately, that is not the name. If you want to cite a page, cite it correctly--better yet, link to it so I don't have to use our horrible search feature. Spıke ¬ 00:56 31-Jan-13

My view doesn't have the view source, but I'll look again. On another topic, you know, with all the idiots and bots and things floating around, we should really just admin all four people - even Puppy who really doesn't want it, and Simi who I don't know what the big fuss is about her because I haven't seen her help out here very much since the move. But how about we make a push to admin all four of you, so the ban button could be in other people's hands when no admin is on-site. Aleister 1:00 31-1-'13

Puppy and I have both stated that we would be happy with whatever the Chief Justice decides. Simsie is mostly at the Fork and Mn-z is mostly happily creating content, but I think they wouldn't object either. "We" are not going to make a push, as I am not going to make a push to change the rules in the middle of the game. But you are welcome to give your opinion to the Chief. For the record, if I had the ban button tonight, you would still be stinging, edit-conflicting me twice on my own talk page so you could respond to Groucho before I could and continue passing yourself off as a Negro to lay a guilt trip on him. Just 10 minutes so I could get horrible T-Mobile to turn my post around. It is taking nearly a minute tonight. Spıke ¬ 01:09 31-Jan-13
Passing myself off as a negro? Well my good sir, my good sir!! And I got that thing done, thanks for opening it. Ol Black Betty 1:18 31-1-'13

Groucho, meanwhile, is in again. I comment on his talk page, but will leave it to one of youse to give him the deserved revert if you agree. Spıke ¬ 01:21 31-Jan-13

Great Library of Alexandria

The page is looking and reading really good. I knew it would be a saveable article, with all your work on it it's a classic of the (library) genre. I just saw an IP edit dogs, which reminded me I wanted to polish that page and make it better than it has a right to be. Alright IP! Aleist 23:29 1-2-'13

Um, yes. He removed one excess space, then added, and I quote, "Dogs are cool." Rolled back. Library is unbegun except to show what I would do with it: blur concepts of primitivity together, incompatibly, with the US capital district. Spıke ¬ 23:45 1-Feb-13
But dogs are cool! At least the bigger ones. I'm actually helping to raise another wolf (80%, the rest german shepard and there's speculation some coyote got in there somewhere), he just celebrated his 1st birthday and is a gamer. Are you going to continue on the Library? Is it open to play on it with you? Aleister 1:00 2-2-'13
The veracity of his statement was never in question; only the funniness. Yeah, go play in the Library. I hope you preserve the style of dryly getting all the facts wrong, unless you have something brilliant in mind. Spıke ¬ 01:07 2-Feb-13
No, nothing in mind. Thanks, I'd like to collab with you on such an auspicious page. I'll play on it sometime this weekend, today my time here is running short and I am "runnning long for the pass" - to quote Randy Moss, the self-styled best receiver in American football history (at least one of the top five). Aleister 1:11 2-2-'13
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