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edit Welcome!

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edit Userspace

Hello and welcome to Uncyclopedia! The thing about the sandbox is that it is not guaranteed to persist. If you want your stuff to last long enough to whip it into shape as a real Uncyclopedia article, put it in your userspace. For example, copy it out of the sandbox and create User:Robstew/Subaru and paste the text there. Cheers! Spıke ¬ 01:29 27-Jan-13

I see you call for suggestions. Here are some.

  • Section 1: "Is considered to be" are words that don't do anything. I wrote about stuff like this once at User:SPIKE/Cliches-1 which might help you write.
  • Section 2: I don't know who these guys are. Just in general, though, they should be famous people, and just putting them in a list isn't funny unless what you write is, and unless it relates to real life.
  • Section 3: Shit jokes and fart jokes aren't ever funny, especially if the joke is missing.
  • Section 4: How to avoid the STI: We have a namespace called HowTo: for this kind of writing (instruction guides). The normal article should look like an encyclopedia article and this type of writing doesn't fit.

A lot to think about; I hope that helps. Spıke ¬ 01:36 27-Jan-13

Thanks^ I'll keep that in mind. Will edit. Hope you can see this, Jesus Christ this place is a mess of communication.--Robstew (talk) 03:07, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I came over here to say almost identical things. And a “thank you” for the poem. Was that page original or has it been derived from elsewhere? (Derivations are fine, by the way. Just can't do a complete copypasta without attribution, depending in the source. And rewriting something enough to make it derivative work is a doddle.)                               Puppy's talk page01:40 27 Jan

Not a copy paste, however the pictures are basically random files I found in the dark. Unfortunately, since I am typing on mobile I can't upload my own photos or web files. Is that a no-no? The text itself is based on fact, but I have to link them to a source. What I have now is just out of what I already know. I probably will link some sources though. --Robstew (talk) 02:20, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Uploading images from an iDevice (or similar) is not a no-no, just technically a pain in the arse. You have to first upload them to flickr, and then import them from there to here. I'd started putting together a "HowTo" on that ages ago, including a couple of rather nifty tricks, but it's complex. If you have an image found on another site somewhere then hit me on my talk page with the URL and I can get them on here.
Having said that there are a few bits of copyright law that we have to be mindful of when uploading images. For the most part, if you're using the image in an article, you can upload comfortably as being protected for the purposes of parody. (So upload away, but try not to use the site as an image host.)                               Puppy's talk page02:54 27 Jan
Hello as well. No, everything is fine and all is allowed, except some stuff that Puppy knows about. No need to link anything to a source here, we are a satirical rendition of wikipedia and sources are for those with brains (although a few of us also edit and write at wikipedia). Good to meet you, and don't let serious notes on your talkpage make you into a serious writer, even here. Check out our Rules, and pay particular attention to number three (well, all of them, but number three). Aleister 2:58 27-1-'13

Thanks to all. I'll Definately look into all of that. Being a new member makes everything a bit confusing. --Robstew (talk) 03:07, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

We're here to confuse help!                               Puppy's talk page03:13 27 Jan

edit Deleted article

I'm not too sure about the history of the main space page, but there is a mirror site that holds a lot of our older articles. I located this: http://mirror.uncyc.org/wiki/Subaru which is pretty dreadful and not much use, because it's about a different topic. You can also ask an admin to restore a deleted page so you can see what was there, but I'd advise against it.

You can always get more detailed feedback via Pee review, but it takes ages for us to go through the queue there. Quicker to just ask someone directly. If you have a look at HoS you can see some of the more popular stuff that the three guys above have written. We all have different styles, so a little reading of our stuff will give you an idea of what we write like. A lot of the users listed there have moved on to other things though. Special:Recentchanges will give you a good idea of who is still around, and what's still happening.                               Puppy's talk page04:04 27 Jan

edit Subaru

Just took a quick look at the article, and it appears you have something against a specific person (Ken Block, I believe). This is generally frowned upon, unless it is a famous person, in which case making fun of something that the celebrity has done in public, or is otherwise known for, is fine. I am not familiar with this person, so something describing who this person is and why they are notable or famous would be helpful (for instance, if they are a sports figure, mention that at least once). Their name should be in Wikipedia at least, or come up as notable in a Google search (that is, more than a Facebook page and a few people finder pages on them). ---- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 04:27, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Ken Block is a rather famous rally racing driver, I'll elaborate on him in an edit. Look him up on youtube, some of his "Gymkhana" videos are pretty cool. He is not, however a good rally driver, and is known to be cocky off the track. --Robstew (talk) 04:35, January 27, 2013 (UTC) Thanks for the heads up.

I just made an edit to that page. I apologise if I edit conflicted. Often when we're editing a page we'll add comments in the edit summary, which you can see in the history tab here and will also be at the top of the page. You'll also be able to see recent edits to pages you watch on Special:Watchlist, which will also show you the summary notes. (I talk too much. Going away again now.)                               Puppy's talk page05:44 27 Jan

That's fine, like I said, any edits are welcome. I should have looked at my messages. As you can see, while I have been relatively successful in uploading pictures, I am experiencing some difficulty organizing them (Captions, etc.).--Robstew (talk) 05:50, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

WP:Wikipedia:Picture tutorial will give you the info you need, and then a whole bunch more. You're doing well with them so far though, so don't stress.                               Puppy's talk page06:19 27 Jan

Thanks, I think that's all the pictures the article can hold without looking too choppy. Anyway, i'm gonna be offline for awhile, so if anyone sees any cleanup to be done feel free to take action if you so desire. --Robstew (talk) 06:26, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

edit Infobox

I have looked in on the day's changes.

  • One thing you seem to be trying to do is cram an "Infobox" into a thumbnail. For God's sake, find a template and all you will have to do is fill out the fields, and it will work correctly on everyone's browser too. Perhaps Puppy can find you the right template for this type of article.
  • Another thing you seem to be trying to do is give us dollops of your own personal opinion. Subaru deserves to be bowed down to, Ken Block is an asshole, Pastrana has a name that sounds like something else, etc. This never works unless you can really make it clever.

I know you're not done yet, but you need some notion about where you're taking all this--especially when we get to Section 6 and you are bandying around liberals and lesbians as if merely writing down the names of the groups were a joke. What do they have to do with Subarus? What is the point you intend to make? More stuff for you to think about; keep at it! Spıke ¬ 23:28 27-Jan-13

Thank you for the advice, Spike. looking at wikia's page on formatting didn't mention anything on an infobox, I'll look a little harder. On the personal opinion issue, I'll try to type some more stuff about each celebrity (maybe a section for each?) and modify the liberal/lesbian/mitsubishi relationship. Over the next few days, I'm going to change my focus to the text itself as today I have been distracted by getting pictures aligned.Thanks! --Robstew (talk) 23:39, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I've recoded your initial chart using {{Infobox}} itself. Click on that link to see the instructions: There are options that let you do a whole lot more with this. Spıke ¬ 23:58 27-Jan-13

Noticed. Thanks spike.--Robstew (talk) 01:54, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

It is shaping up! I like the paragraphs of prose much more than just making a bullet point and leaving it at that. But regarding your most recent edit, please don't talk directly to the reader (unless doing so is very funny). Ordinarily, it breaks the con that this is an encyclopedia. It's like an actor "breaking the fourth wall" of the stage, that is, talking to the audience or revealing that he is in a play. It is an available technique but you have to be sure you know why you're using it. Cheers. Spıke ¬ 02:10 28-Jan-13

And here is your morning nagging! On Subaru, quotations are better if you invent a real person, and bonus points if he never would have said what you have him saying, or if he said something very similar but certainly didn't mean what you said he meant. On C-130, please learn the difference between it's and its immediately! If you cannot substitute "it is" then you cannot write it's. Happy editing! Spıke ¬ 15:48 28-Jan-13

Alright. I'll look into the grammar issue. That article is just something I whipped together, so I have a lot of refining to do. On the quotations, I'll see who I can find. Thanks again!--Robstew (talk) 15:52, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

edit Subaru, again

It's not quite ready for mainspace. It still reads a little too much like you are trying to sell the Subaru to other dyed-in-the-wool Subaru fans, to praise its greatness, and doesn't have enough comedy for the guy whose Subaru has just seized up. You have a lot of photos, and they are backing up and crowding because you haven't written enough text.

  • Given that you have an Infobox with a photo, you don't need the usual initial photo, especially when its caption refers to text somewhere else. Move this photo to where it's referenced.
  • Remove the heading ==Subaru== so the following paragraph just becomes the introduction. (The Table of Contents will follow it).
  • In Ken Block, you have a bulleted list in the middle of nowhere, a list without an introduction to tell us what it's a list of. In Pastrana, you have a list inside a list. Why?
  • Regarding "Rally History": I'm 11 and what's a rally? No, I'm not 11, but this jumps in with no introduction.
  • Beware? Go to the bookcase, pull out any encyclopedia, and show me any article that has a heading Beware.

Happy more editing! Spıke ¬ 23:23 28-Jan-13

Thank you spike, will edit. Happily. --Robstew (talk) 23:25, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Only you moved it first! Regarding your Change Summary, you have indeed done all you could--except check this talk page!!! Now, if you had waited for me to comment, I could have moved this without creating redirects. You have created several--they make the previous names continue to succeed at retrieving the article, but you must now ask for them to be deleted. So go to UN:QVFD and add the following entries:

 {{Redirect|User:Robstew/Subaru}} - moved to mainspace
 {{Redirect|Uncyclopedia:Subaru}} - created in error

I've added Subaru to {{Cars}} to fix the template at the bottom of the article. Spıke ¬ 23:32, 23:36 28-Jan-13

Thanks for the help Spike. Still working on getting rid of those redirects. --Robstew (talk) 23:38, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
I took care of those redirects (I think). I copy/pasted the entries into today's date section.--Robstew (talk) 23:43, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Looks correct at QVFD. Welcome to mainspace! Did I mention? please start paragraphs on talk pages with one or more : characters if necessary to indent your posts from those of other people. Be seeing you! Spıke ¬ 00:00 29-Jan-13

Thanks. Obviously I have much to learn. --Robstew (talk) 00:06, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

edit Subaru2

Oh God, you are creating redirects all over the place. Having moved your article to mainspace, you could edit it right there in mainspace. Whatever; just clean up after yourself (at QVFD). Spıke ¬ 00:05 29-Jan-13

I think I managed to clean up my tracks. Good lord this place is confusing. By redirects, I thought they meant Double links or infinite loop links. Oh well. Thanks again! --Robstew (talk) 00:17, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I think that, based on your last move, the mainspace page Subaru now contains nothing but the text #REDIRECT [[User:Robstew/Subaru2]] which we don't want to be permanent. A double redirect is one of these that points to a page that points to another page. We don't want this to ever happen. Wikis are indeed designed for the coder as well as the writer; but the result is pretty pages with universal publication, which is nice. Spıke ¬ 00:23 29-Jan-13

OK, here's more.

  • Please end your love affair with <br clear=all>. You are trying too hard to manage small details of the layout of the page; you should concentrate on content and let Uncyclopedia lay it out the same way as it does other pages, unless gaping problems emerge.
  • Please don't get chatty with the reader; it breaks the resemblance to an encyclopedia article. (See above under "fourth wall.")
  • As you are seeing above, please see all of the above, and do the stuff I told you to do that you haven't done yet. A global search for "it's" would be in order. Spıke ¬ 02:10 29-Jan-13

Right. I'll get on that. I did have gaping problems with photos and text, I should probably just type more. I looked up Its vs. It's on google, I get the difference now. My C-130 article is clear of those problems I think. Thanks again, will edit.--Robstew (talk) 02:24, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

edit Home-made

Please don't pepper your article with external links. This site is for original comedy creations, not a jumping-off point to other stuff that exists on the Web. Thanks. Spıke ¬ 01:52 31-Jan-13

Sorry, that's just what the ICU template said. Will edit. Should I link it to other articles? Is it long enough? How do I categorize it? I so confuse... :( --Robstew (talk) 01:58, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that message means links to other Uncyclopedia articles with the double-bracket coding. Ignore what it says about red-links (links to other articles that don't exist), as there were none when RAHB put it into your article. To make it look more like a regular Uncyclopedia article, you should use {{Q}} rather than BLOCKQUOTE for quotations; see most other articles for the correct form.

No, the article doesn't seem long enough to me. And "Home-made crap" ought to go away too, as it is just a list of short things. For categories, you can certainly use Category:Phrases. Spıke ¬ 02:27 31-Jan-13

Thanks again spike. --Robstew (talk) 03:27, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Now, over in C-130, I see you have discovered how to refer to the user's name. In my opinion, this pranks the reader (convincing him that somehow you wrote the article with him personally in mind) to amuse yourself, when you should be trying to amuse the reader. We are not all agreed here on this point, but think about it. Spıke ¬ 11:51 31-Jan-13

edit The use of templates

Given SPIKE's suggestions above, and you're discovering the use of templates, I figured I'd give you a little help. There are two kinds of template. Ones that use parameters, and ones that don't. For instance:

  • {{q}}
    • {{q|This is a quote|Me|this template}} gives you:
“This is a quote”
~ Me on this template
  • {{-}}
    • This has no parameters, but adds your <br clear="all"/>

Some templates have more functionality that goes beyond the standard. {{RL}} for instance is designed to clean up redlinks on a page without removing actual links. (Note when we talk about links we're talking about links on site. External links are a different matter.)

When I started editing here I barely used templates. I had a bit of HTML knowledge and did much the same as yourself. Templates do makes a bundle of things easier though. The best way to see how a page you like the look of has been formatted. Read the code and steal it for yourself. The more you learn about coding the funkier your articles can become. But these cosmetic things are tricks that can either work or fail badly. Unless your article is designed around a funky look, you need to focus on content. These few articles illustrate what I mean:

  • Love this uses barely any templates, but instead focuses on good writing to make the funny
  • Stereotype uses a couple of templates but most of the funky coding is just the table at the base (which I just stole the look from a catalogue I was reading)
  • Microsoft knowledge base uses very few templates, but a lot of coding, and one funky image
  • Twitter uses some very complex coding but mostly hidden inside a bundle of templates.
  • Game:Alone in the dark is lots of coding and some very complex templates, and some funky images.

Each of these articles has been featured, but each of them use different techniques to make with the funny. Oddly, the most complex one is definitely the latter (and you really don't want to know how long it took to put that together), but what makes that funny is not the funky coding, but the actual text itself. All the coding does is mimic a “frame” for the content. Of them my personal favourite is Love, because it is textually funny.

TL;DR version: Templates and code can help, and in some places need to be there, but the focus really needs to be on making the funny first. (And if ever you need a funky code, there are people here who can do it.)                               Puppy's talk page12:51 31 Jan

edit Hello

And good to meet you. Keep up the good work as long as you're having fun. Funnybony, one of our writers, calls Uncy a playground for adults, and when I become an adult I will play here too. Aleister 12:00 31-1-'13

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