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Continuation of Convo

I've replied to you on your archive, your Rev'. You can move it here if you wish. Thanks. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 22:31, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I may write one. I would, however, suggest that "Kings and Queens..." be changed to "Monarchs...", and that "UK General Elections" be changed to "General Elections in the United Kingdom". A few others sound a little odd too. None of them are strictly wrong, but they sound more like the article titles found on Wikipedia. You've done a pretty decent job so far. By the way, I believe you had the first word on this page, even if it took you a while. Well done. Sir Reverend P. Pennyfeather (fancy a chat?) CUN VFH PLS 23:20, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
Please change the titles to sound more encyclopedic, thanks. I'll add the "First Word on Reverend's Talk Page" award to my collection. Thanks. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 05:39, August 15, 2013 (UTC)


I made a entire section on your talkpage just to demo my sig, and fill yer talkpage! YAY --The Sieger of Dungeons Lord Denza Aetherwing Inventory 23:59, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Your'er most ealcome to, if you so wish. How are you these days>? Still addicted to DungeonSiege510? Or ate you on that bastatd rehav? Sir Reverend P. Pennyfeather (fancy a chat?) CUN VFH PLS

Two-week ban

Sorry! I meant two hours! I saw a series of edits from you, some of which spoiled entire templates such as Denza's signature (British spelling in the tags breaks them) and VHF [sic] and thought I would do you a favor. I am sorry my mistake kept you off-line all morning. Though drinking a lot of black coffee might have been a better way to spend it. Spıke Ѧ 11:13 16-Aug-13

Quite all right. I only tried to edit this morning to apologise, after I went through my contributions. It is I who should say sorry! I did have one too many down the pub last night, and for some reason thought that editing Uncyclopedia was a fine idea. Despite both coffee and bacon, my head really hurts now. I still don't understand some of my edits at all, including one on a new user's talk-page. How embarrassing. Sir Reverend P. Pennyfeather (fancy a chat?) CUN VFH PLS 11:56, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
Reverend, sorry to be so rude but just wanted to ask you whether the response to Denza on your talk page is another contribution for which you apologized! Because the writing style is not yours (as well as in all the other contributions made that fatal evening)... I also undid your breaking the Oscar Wilde's quote to the Siberia article and simply deleted it. Anton (talk) 15:01, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
Anton: Fateful--not fatal--fortunately! The Reverend's tendency to type-when-sloshed in a way that mimics the way we talk-when-sloshed, seems almost deliberate. Spıke Ѧ 15:18 16-Aug-13
It most certainly was made whilst inebriated. I may be going out to the pub again later tonight, but this time I think I'll give Uncyclopedia a miss. Should I try to edit again though, you can ban me for as long as you want. Surprisingly, even simple coding is difficult when you're seeing double. Sir Reverend P. Pennyfeather (fancy a chat?) CUN VFH PLS 15:17, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
To emphasize, though: I meant nothing punitive by my ban, despite getting the duration wrong. Just meant to put your keyboard "in protective custody." You can even ban yourself, leaving us instructions to unban you. (Which we might misplace, nyuk! nyuk!) Spıke Ѧ 15:21 16-Aug-13

To Spike: I know Reverend is not dead but my "fatal" is still deliberate. Anton (talk) 15:23, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Apparently I was pretty eloquent last night, actually. I gave an impromptu lecture on the merits of a "hang the bastards" approach to politicians, in a Yorkshire accent (which I don't usually have). As for the whole fatal/fateful thing, in most circumstances fateful would be the correct answer, although the thorough killing of my pride merits the use of fatal just this once. Sir Reverend P. Pennyfeather (fancy a chat?) CUN VFH PLS 15:28, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
I'm wrong. You can't ban yourself, though I can ban myself. Now, although "the grape doesn't lie" but only disinhibit, we know that, underneath that stickler for precision, there is a slob aching to get out. I hope you will help Anton and Scott describe this episode in the next UnSignpost, as it is better for you to make sport of yourself than for others to make sport of you; also because this is the nearest we've come to having news in a month. Spıke Ѧ 15:32 16-Aug-13
I'm certainly willing to do a little write up, if that's what you want. The grape might be honest, but I can assure you that the cider apple is a slanderous, libellous, lying bitch. Sir Reverend P. Pennyfeather (fancy a chat?) CUN VFH PLS 15:43, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

It is cruel to make a person write about his drunkeness. And nobody is going to make sport of him, as most of his wrong edits got corrected. Changing the topic, I finished proofreading Olympics! Anton (talk) 16:31, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

It's not cruel. Well, not really. I was thinking "Editing Under The Influence: A Retrospective". As for the proofreading, well done! Don't be offended or anything, but I will take a look myself, if that's alright all right. Sir Reverend P. Pennyfeather (fancy a chat?) CUN VFH PLS 16:39, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

I am not offended at all, as I put this comment on your talk page because I wanted you to take a look at what I did! Anton (talk) 16:48, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

When I asked Spike for your ban to be shortened I proposed that the reason why one may be drinking a bit too much was exam results as a few of my friends did the same yesterday. I also loved your spell-correction from American to British English on Denza's talk page. Being drunk brings out the best in you Reverend! Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 17:45, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
I really hope that Scott's comment above was a joke. Anton (talk) 18:09, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
I think we all do, Anton, I think we all do. As David Lloyd George said to General Haig when he'd slaughtered several hundred thousand men just to make a prequel to the Second World War, "Was it not the British who invented comedy, Haig?" Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 18:19, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
I think we all do, Anton, I think we all do. As David Lloyd George said to General Haig when he'd slaughtered several hundred thousand men just to make a prequel to the Second World War, "Was it not the British who invented comedy, Haig?" Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 18:19, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

The next UnSignpost

Nice comedy strategy; the Germans probably loved it. Concerning the USP (as it is hard to notice new messages not at the talkpage's end), I just wanted to repeat what I have already said, and if you are planning to do the next issue, there is Spike's article waiting on my talkpage and Pup is trying to make the format better, so you have to wait a bit. Anton (talk) 18:54, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Alas Anton thou is deceived. Waiting is a thing that the Brits are too reliant on. Dawdling cost Monty the capture of Caen (until a week or two later) and the reputation of the British Army towards the Americans resulting in every Modern American thinking that a bunch of rebellious colonists are better than the finest trained, poorly-paid, mal-equiped fighting force in the World. I think we should make the new issue in the old style format for now and start making issues in the new style once the formatting problems (which I am barely aware of and have gone completely out of my control (probably an excuse for a coup by the Deputy Chief Editor to take over the newspaper)) have been resolved. From now on would you kindly inform Spike that new articles are to be posted in the press room and not on specific nSignpost editor's talk pages so that everyone is aware and can plan the next UnSignpost. Thanks. (and sorry your Rev for filling up your talk page with this but then you're probably smashed by now and couldn't care less about it). Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 20:32, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
Before I got to your signature, I had attributed your filibuster to the Reverend and had gotten the ban-stick out again "for his protection." It is a valid point that UnSignpost submissions should be in a common area. But you know, you can always kindly inform Spike yourself. Spıke Ѧ 20:44 16-Aug-13
I'm just on a sugar rush now so it probably has the same effect as me being drunk. Not sure if that gets me banned! I could ask Spike but then he put it on Anton's and Anton's taking over so much of the UnSignpost that he may as well ask. I give him one UnSignpost to do while I'm on holiday and when I come back he's changed the whole bloody formatting! Not that I'm complaining, good on him. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 20:58, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
Here I am, sober! I've stuck to tea tonight. I do believe I did indeed make a bit of a typo in my last post, and provide as my sole defence still having a mild hangover. "Alright" isn't ridiculously incorrect, but should still be corrected if practical. I won't be very active, if at all, over the next week, but I'll see if I can't do something. Sir Reverend P. Pennyfeather (fancy a chat?) CUN VFH PLS 22:37, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

So what you are basically saying is that I am preparing a coup and Spike is helping me... Well... No comments.

Concerning the new format, why are you so impatient? There has been a big with the edit section buttons but this is fixed now, and Pup is working on making a hide and show content buttons so the format will be even better. When he is finished, I will redeliver the last issue and create a mode, of the new one. This will be strange (not to say more), if the last issue is still not redelivered and the new issue appears with the same old format which, as people at the fork say, "looks like unmitigated crap". So, please, wait a bit. When everything is fixed, the UnSignpost will stop being late but now it is just impossible. Anton (talk) 10:29, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Calm down Anton. I was joking about the coup. I did not realise the last edition had been recalled so I know now see from your point of view. I agree that we should wait. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 10:49, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

I am completely calm now. That is just that several minutes ago I thought that my coup would fail and I would not be able to take over the media. Anton (talk) 10:56, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

The culture of alcohol in the USA and Britain

Who goes to the pub for tea? (As stated in my thumbnail UnSignpost bio, I don't even go to My Local for lager, because the conversation here is better, and the pub is gone.) Scott was correct to speculate that the Reverend's revelry was either celebration or commiseration, and I take it that it was commiseration and that next week's inactivity means he will be pounding on doors looking for a "real" job. Keep in mind, many of us balance those with Uncyclopedia. If a media takeover is in progress, where are the Jewish masterminds? Spıke Ѧ 11:47 17-Aug-13
Do they have pubs in the US because I don't remember any in the South? Over here one drinks tea all the time but Spike is correct, certainly not in a pub although the Reverend probably meant at home. I think the Jewish masterminds are at Marks and Sparks (Marks and Spencers) more importantly where is the corrupt British politician who was behind the Jewish, Nazi, Communist take over? Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 12:22, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
Nearly all regulation of service and purchase is at the state level. My state has no "bars" or "taverns" but only restaurants with liquor licenses; this simply means that bars and bowling alleys sell potato chips or send out for pizza. As I think we discussed once, in the South there is a tavern on every road-junction; don't know where you were or what you were doing not to notice. They spend Saturdays getting drunk and misbehaving, and Sundays repenting. Spıke Ѧ 12:35 17-Aug-13
I didn't go to the pub in the end, but spent a relaxing evening with the Universities Central Admissions Service (UCAS) online, and have now sorted out a university willing to teach me Chemistry for three years. Boy, are they in for a treat. This next week's laziness will be due to spending the week in the Lake District, which telephone lines haven't yet reached. I recently spent a week staying with relatives in Oklahoma, which is sort of the South of the US. I was surprised at how strict they are about alcohol. I had to get my parents to buy two glasses of wine and then drink mine under the table, as apparently they'd throw you out otherwise. In England, the earliest possible legal drinking age is 5, but 16 in public. Sir Reverend P. Pennyfeather (fancy a chat?) CUN VFH PLS 13:24, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
Where I used to dwell there were no taverns but many steak houses and ranches. Also a tavern is not a pub. as far as I am aware the English pub is unique to areas of the United Kingdom (and British expat areas in foreign countries) although I can't verify that. Well done in the exams Reverend. Glad you got a place. Chemistry is the best too.
Basically, Reverend, the USA decided to ban alcohol in the 1920s leading to an increase in Chicago gangsters as America's principles were and still are very Protestant (Puritan to be precise) (if Spike won't mind me saying) and many religious people dislike alcohol for some funny reason. Although after mass protest they uplifted the ban they still are very strict on alcohol.
On a side note I keep forgetting that so many of the USA's laws are dictated by individual states. Not many British people realise this to the full extent of impact it has on US laws as in Britain only one of two seperate kingdoms (Scotland not England) has a sub government/parliament with a lot of power over laws while principilaties, possesions and counties have councils/general assemblies and have as much power as to choose which day recycling is collected. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 14:40, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
Oklahoma is in the South but is no more a "Southern state" than New Mexico, "Southern" in my discussion of the alcohol culture meaning Southeastern (or Confederate or Dixie). Pioneers are a different culture from plantation owners, though the culture of Pennyfeather's host family is too small a sample size.
It is essential to understand the US to remember that it was created as a federation of states--that the rat's nest of confusing state laws is a safeguard. And it may be useful to Europeans and Brits to observe how the central government arrogates more power to itself. A century ago, American leaders understood that alcohol Prohibition was so illegitimate that it required an amendment to the Constitution (the 18th, whose repeal was demanded by the States and became the 21st). Our current leaders are trying the same thing with drugs using taxes, regulations, and mandated extra costs, and taking aim at alcohol and tobacco next. The resulting "epidemic of gun violence" and urban "gangsta" culture is no surprise. Spıke Ѧ 19:52 17-Aug-13
I think the way my government runs is fine, just the people who run it who are wrong. My local county council is a lot worse than the central government and I prefer centralised government as it unites the country together making easier to pass laws and actually take action for the good of the country as a whole. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 06:25, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

The difference between serial killers and serial commanists when it comes to commas

I began analyzing what Scott just said and found out that Reverend the USA banned alcohol in 1920s. In addition to this, Chicago gangsters increased as well as the American principals. After I inserted some commas, the sense somehow changed. Anton (talk) 14:51, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

You are correct on two commas Anton however as stated on my user page I am not a serial commanist (or a serial killer) so a comma needn't go before "as." By the way it is no longer there as the comma has been eradicated. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 15:23, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Scott, I know you aren't but without that comma you may think that the word "as" means the amount of Chicago gangsters increased as well as the amount of American principals. Anton (talk) 15:27, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

This is nothing to do with serial commas, as it isn't a list. The "as" is a connective marking the beginning of a new clause, and as such should have a comma in front of it, for clarity. Sir Reverend P. Pennyfeather (fancy a chat?) CUN VFH PLS 15:31, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

That's just what I said. See how my membership in the Comma Brigade changed my mind?! Anton (talk) 15:34, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Anton that is the trouble with not being a serial commanist. English is about reading the context of the sentence. If you read it as "leading to an increase in Chicago gangsters(,) as America's principles were(,) and still are very Protestant" then it would be correct to say that both American principles and Chicago gangsters were increasing however the "and still are very protestant" doesn't make sense. You have to study the context of the sentence and not just the grammar to understand it Anton as with any other language. It takes fluency to not be a serial commanist so many foreigners are serial commanists which is fine but not being a serial commanist is also fine. Think about this sentence. It is fine without commas and the grammar problem is resolved by a contradiction in the sentence: "I bought some shopping including my favourite foods bananas and apples and pears, which I hate."
Serial commas is too narrow a term, I know but it is used to describe a person who puts far too many commas in a sentence. In Modern English it is fine to miss out a comma before an "as." These rules are very flexible as with any other rules in a language. The basic rule here is only add a comma before an "as" for clarity however my sentence makes sense only in one meaning so no need to add one. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 15:40, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
I happen to be a person who uses too many commas, as I admit on my user page. My first priority for commas would be to isolate the parenthetical comment "and still are." Putting in the other comma is fine, though using all three makes them hard to parse. My preferences:
  • leading to an increase in Chicago gangsters, as America's principles were (and still are) very Protestant
  • leading to an increase in Chicago gangsters—as America's principles were, and still are, very Protestant
That is, you essentially have nested parenthetical comments, and the reader can't follow your nesting if you use nothing but commas. Spıke Ѧ 16:05 17-Aug-13 16:05, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
PS--Reading "as" followed by a comma, I would expect an independent thought (like a non-restrictive clause):
  • Pilot her steady, as you always do
Here, "You always do" is a separate assertion of fact. Reading "as" not preceded by a comma, I would expect an idiom, perhaps as-{adjective}-as, and look backward for an implied initial "as":
  • Pilot her steady as she goes
"Pilot her steady as you always do" (without comma) sort of implies a comparison: That steady and no steadier. Spıke Ѧ 16:16 17-Aug-13
PPS--Scott's worse problem, as shown in his most recent post, is his use of "however," without even the grace of a comma, to paper over having written a run-on sentence. Spıke Ѧ 16:18 17-Aug-13
I understand that it can be sometimes hard to follow without commas however the best way to work out where commas that do not appear in my writing go is to look at the topic of the sentence. Anton's suggestion was unnecesary in this cas as there could only be one meaning from the sentence. There was no increase in American principles as the bit after the "and" wouldn't make any sense if there were so there could be little confusion over what I meant. In my dialect we tend to barely use commas before conjuctions (not sure if that's the right word. I mean words that join two clauses) unless there is an actual chance of confusion. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 16:29, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
Either of SPIKE's examples are fine, and I think his explanation is both accurate and succinct. How has this conversation got so long? Sir Reverend P. Pennyfeather (fancy a chat?) CUN VFH PLS 16:40, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
For conversations like this again please use BHOPs: Forum:Usage of BHOP's Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 16:46, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
And now that we're being pedantic about things Spike prefers to be called Spike and not SPIKE. The only reason his user name is SPIKE is because there is another user called Spike. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 16:48, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
Let me quibble: (1) BHOP is for Uncyclopedians who prefer showcasing themselves over creating new funny content, and discussing stuff there is a good way to ensure I don't participate; whereas debating grammar is directly relevant to writing good articles, though indeed no one might ever find it here. Also: (2) you are describing as a "dialect" something correctly termed an "impediment." The jury is still out on the Mid-Atlantic US condition afflicting both Barney Frank and Elmer Fudd. Spıke Ѧ 19:41 17-Aug-13

I missed a giant conversation up there! Can I just make two comments:

  1. Punctuation in long sentences makes them easier for understanding, as Spike said. That was what I meant when I put the third comma (before as) in Scott's sentence. I did not mean that it was incorrect, I just said it was not very easy to understand, even though there is only one (correct) way to understand it.
  2. I don't have any other comments. Anton (talk) 13:35, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Problems, considering the UnSignpost

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