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“I have to be careful what I say so as not to advertise the new wiki. At any rate, in January of 2013, the then-current userbase of this wiki made a decision to "fork" to our own independent domain and host, which I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link here or not. We did this for various reasons, which can all be read about in a lot of forums and things. I'll probably link those forums here later when I can be arsed to. For the time being, I just want to express that most of my efforts toward Uncyclopedia in the future will be going into the "forked" version, which I like to call the "real" version, for lack of a better term. I still intend to check my talk page on this, the Wikia version, just in case someone might stumble upon it and ask me a question about something or whatever. I intend to stick around here long enough to at least attempt to help smooth the transition of this version into the eventual new community, if one does in fact come around, and then if things take off here I can rest a little easier knowing that things are being taken care of. Or, if things don't take off here, I can rest a little easier knowing that I can just assume people will start coming to the new version of Uncyclopedia instead, and I won't have to worry too much about people coming here and getting the wrong idea of the wiki if it turns into a vandal-magnet.

But seriously, check the new version out. If you want to.”
~ MrN9000 on having copied that from RAHB

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edit You're back

Its good to see that you are still alive. --Mn-z 15:27, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hea dude. Yep. Kinda anyway. At the moment I'm jumping between the two sites a bit. Such a shame that apparently some users have fallen out with each other to the extent that even now when the community has the ability to be non profit, some users still choose to stay with a profit based host.
Obviously some dicks have been being particularly so... I hope there is some way to sort this mess out. IMO As things stand now, it's not good for Uncyclopedia. I would much prefer if e veryone was together. :( MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 11:05, Feb 11
Ah, but you must have missed Mn-Z's two amazing healing posts on the forum:A suggestion, his two new sections near the bottom. Masterpieces of perception and a calming of the waters. Maybe you should go forum hopping, and check out the one on the vote on the new warning label, but that's near the bottom too. And I don't know if wikia is making any money off of us, they're just hosting and trying to cope with having us around, so calling it a profit maker in regards to uncy is giving the devil its due without the devil earning it. Remember our work on Gandhi? Good times. Aleister 11:19 11-19 1919
Thanks dude, I will look around more. One thing I DO know... WIKIA MAKES / WANTS TO MAKE MONEY OUT OF UNCYCLOPEDIA.
Although... Apparently ... "Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony". I think I'm going to make a cup of tea... :) MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 11:32, Feb 11
I have doubts about the nfp aspect of the fork. I one worked for an nfp organisation that was designed to run fundraisers for other nfp organisations. I left there when I discovered that one of their projects didn't work out as well as they hoped, and the organisation they were raising money for lost $45,000 as a result. Since then I've been suspect of organisations that won't disclose their finances but claim nfp status. I've asked numerous times, and been met with dead silence every time I've asked. Add to that the vanity aspect of the press release, I'm suspect.
Yes - I'll look a gift horse in the mouth when it means that otherwise I have to surrender the steed that I know and - while I don't trust it - I know how it works.                               Puppy's talk page11:37 11 Feb
It was a good "feel good" "press release (air quote)" and had nice sentiment and hope for the future. The problem was it wasn't a press release. I offered to help them with the press release, to write and edit it, because I used to do lots of press releases. They weren't interested, and when it was sent out (if it was sent out in a press release form) it attracted no press, as I suspected it wouldn't once I saw it. So yes, the people "running" it, in some respects, don't know what they're doing, and in others are doing a very good job so far. But as the sage Msn-Bc might have said, can't we all just get along, and everyone wash both hands and not leave a pile of dirt in between the fingers? Al same day
It was a terrible press release, because there's no way known any self respecting journal would print it. And it's symptomatic of my concerns. For the last month we have had the bulk of the community working on the content warning. We've discussed, honed, tweaked and churned it into something worthwhile as a “front page” of the site. That press release was written by one person - or maybe two - and discarded any community input, and sent out as representative of a community. Personally I like to think I know what is good for the community, but I'm not arrogant enough to say that I represent the whole, and I accept what the community decides on when we go to a vote. I don't think any individual - or group of elite - can represent the community properly when huge decisions and movements happen outside of scrutiny. I don't even like talking on IRC because there's no accountability. And without knowing the inner workings I'm left to surmise, and I cannot see any way that the fork can be financially self-supporting without going down a financially focused path.
Without respecting the members of the community, and with an inner sanctum making arbitrary decisions that affect the whole, it cannot work as a wiki. And the structure of it resembles too closely the structure of another comedy wiki that eventually got sold to a commercial interest and destroyed. And by dividing the community we had, the two separate halves are no way near the strength of the whole.                               Puppy's talk page12:44 11 Feb
I second Puppy. As I've said in the Forum and elsewhere: If you think Profit is no basis for creative writing, wait until you see how Loss works. (Would you guys mind if I renamed that Forum from "A suggestion"? We might want to find it some day.) Spıke ¬ 13:04 11-Feb-13

Guys... I don't give a

In time Google, and the internet WILL divert to wherever the CABAL is. Yes. There is a (one) CABAL. It is... Wait. I lied. There is no Cabal. Obviously. However, Uncyclopedia IS wherever that thing is. Should it exist. Which it does not. But if it did, that is what would define Uncyclopedia. ...

MrN9000SouthPark

...if I know you lot (and I do a little) I bet this is really (mostly) about people being dicks. Specifically people being dicks to other people. Often causing those people to be dicks themselves, which is then great for the person who was a dick to start with because now everyone is being a dick so they don't get the blame. So...

Wallace in wrong trousers

What should we do?

As it stands.... The

Status quo 2005

Is not great.

So...

You go first down the hole!

We need to look for the whole again.

Because apparently people are being dicks on Uncyclopedia.

Penisland

Who would have thought it?

What shall we do?

Future quo

Look what will happen to the Status Quo!

How can we prevent this? MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 13:35, Feb 11

Just for that...
                              Puppy's talk page01:48 11 Feb
That proves nothing! I just found out that in 2011 Status Quo did something in collaboration with Cliff Richard. Don't say you have not been warned. MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 13:55, Feb 11
That video was 2012. Which shows that the Status Quo has gone off the Cliff. Which brings me back to my earlier point…                               Puppy's talk page02:12 11 Feb
Your point was that Uncyclopedia is and will always be run by dicks? MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 14:28, Feb 11
We should hang a sign in the window saying “Under no management”.                               Puppy's talk page09:43 12 Feb

edit Common.css

Thank you for installing me as an Admin for the rendering of RecentChanges, though having to have my name in CAPITALS has always sufficed for me (as "Spike" has been taken by a non-contributor since 2006). But Simsilikesims was opped in the same vote and should suffer the same fate, misery liking company. Spıke ¬ 15:40 11-Feb-13

I'm not sure it worked actually. You are not showing up in bold on RC for me. Maybe something to so with SPIKE vs Spike? I don't know. Anyway, you know the place you need to edit now, so I guess I will leave it in your hands... MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 15:45, Feb 11
Oh. Nope. Working now. You are bold. The hamster must have moved in the wheel... MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 15:47, Feb 11

May have to do with clearing your browser cache (Ctrl-F5). Names of Admins have never been shown in bold on my PC; I run with a ton of local CSS, but the same is true when I switch it off. Could you describe exactly what comes up in boldface for you? PS--I saw to boldfacing Simsie. Spıke ¬ 21:29 11-Feb-13

Just noticed your second reply there! Yea. Only on Recent Changes this applies to... Whenever I see the name of an admin on RC their name is in bold. MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 00:19, Feb 12

Not I! I vaguely recall I disliked this effect and wrote CSS to disable it, but I can find no such thing either on Uncyclopedia or on my PC. Spıke ¬ 00:25 12-Feb-13

You might be smoking something. Sometimes that can makes things appear bold, or blurry. Or you could log out... That would also work. MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 00:33, Feb 12

edit Piri Reis

I don't have the background to understand the sentence you added to Great Library of Alexandria--though your finale, that "obviously, no one takes them seriously," makes it sound like a big inside joke I am not in on. This would be okay as a photo caption, but without some links to us ignoramuses, it's not an improvement. Spıke ¬ 18:32 11-Feb-13

Why you are talking about "Inside jokes" I got no idea... Piri Reis made maps which were copies of older maps. Some of those maps would have been in the library at some point. The point is that those (very old) maps I speak of do actually exist, and they do actually (kinda) show what I suggested they do. I suspect I'm not the only person who would know that and appreciate it. If you know better remove it. MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 18:49, Feb 11

Of course I don't know how many heads this will fly over. But I have now read about Piri Reis on Wikipedia and still don't get the joke; though in fairness, it was Aleister who set the randomness tone for this section. Spıke ¬ 21:29 11-Feb-13

Random? Random you say? Have you ever baked a zebra? MrN, I saw you doing the feature run at the fork. Did you read my excellllent page about the guy who invented soap? Yes? And you say you hated it? Oh Jeez, this is horrible. It's on vfh here too. This is devestating. Al sigh
Me? Hea. That could have been any MrN9000 you saw over there. Just because I happen to be called MrN9000 here does not necessarily mean that (that) (slippery when wet) individual is the same as this individual. Wait. I actually have no idea even which wiki I'm typing into. This is getting ridiculous. OK! OK! I will go read it! Also... Yes. 12. MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 00:08, Feb 12
RE Piri Reis. An article about the great library of Aleister would be random without mention of Piri Reis. I guess the "joke" is that the entire world is not bothered about the fact that a map has been found (which would have come from the library) which shows the coastline of a country (Antarctica) which was undiscovered at the time (found it 200 years later), and also under (and is still under) thousands of feet of ice. MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 00:16, Feb 12

You see? you had only to explain it to me. Spıke ¬ 00:26 12-Feb-13

I did? Oh, I did. ... You have all the makings of... Um... Yea. MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 00:31, Feb 12

edit Edits to UnNews:Facebook introduces ‘Nookie’

Yo bro! You're always welcome & encouraged to join in. But don't forget to edit in a "For" on the voting. I'm glad we're working together again - hang in there, mate! BTW: This short vid is BETTER than going to a live gig: Great LIVE Sound Quality--Funnybony Icons-flag-th Agnideva-small.jpg AGT-logo-small.jpg 14:29, Feb 12

Cool. I made a few more changes to UnNews:Facebook introduces ‘Nookie’. I might have missed the point with the bit about CIA-FEMA, and where I changed that you might want to put it back if I did it wrong. I think the last 3 paragraphs could do with a bit more of a chop back also as it's a bit rambling in places but I could not figure out what to remove. It's cool as it is though. :) Nice article Bro. I remember when this happened and I thought... Oh I should really go onto Uncyc to do an article about it... But you already had done an awesome job! MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 15:01, Feb 12

edit Thanks for the Tweaks and Tickles

Very much appreciate your assistance and adds in recent articles! Thanks!! --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 07:16, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Loved the idea behind the horse meat one. MrN Icons-flag-gb HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 00:59, Feb 15

edit This...

I have to be careful what I say so as not to advertise the new wiki. At any rate, in January of 2013, the then-current user base of this wiki made a decision to "fork" to our own independent domain and host,,,

Actually, they didn't. There was a forum started saying "We are moving" but no consent from the community sought. There was a vote back in February 2012 asking if we wanted to move, which resulted in an outstanding "maybe, but we need to have an alternative to move to." The creation of that alternative was done without any community discussion. The announcement of the "move" was made only a week or so prior to the "move" itself, and any feedback relating to it was shot down in flames by the instigators of those behind re-creating the content offsite. In short, the statement "the then current userbase" means that regular contributors not included in any of the decision making were considered not to be part of the userbase.

...which I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link here or not...

Yes - but we ask that you at least be honest in regards to what you're actually linking to. And please don't start coming here to purely act as an advertisement for an alternative site.

...We did this for various reasons, which can all be read about in a lot of forums and things. I'll probably link those forums here later when I can be arsed to. For the time being, I just want to express that most of my efforts toward Uncyclopedia in the future will be going into the "forked" version, which I like to call the "real" version, for lack of a better term....

It's also referred to as the "new" version, despite the content being identical when it was launched. The accurate and non-emotive term would be "independently hosted" version, or "independent" to be brief. (Or “Indy” for pants style brevity.) The same as this is the "Wikia hosted" or "Wikia" site. (Personally I like enunco and unwicom as they are abbreviations of the URLs, but that hasn't taken off.)

...I still intend to check my talk page on this, the Wikia version, just in case someone might stumble upon it and ask me a question about something or whatever. I intend to stick around here long enough to at least attempt to help smooth the transition of this version into the eventual new community, if one does in fact come around, and then if things take off here I can rest a little easier knowing that things are being taken care of...

Sadly, many of the users who are now editing predominantly at the independent version are sticking around here predominantly to troll, or otherwise be a nuisance. RAHB has barely been back here at all. BB came back purely to troll and spruik the independent site, and when asked to stop he took it as an attack, and has now been banned. EMC decided to start changing site navigation tools to redirect to the independent version. (There is a very simple way of stopping all traffic directly from this site to the fork, with about three lines of code. Which means if Wikia wanted to completely stop all links to the independent site, it would have been done by now. Of course, any links from the independent site coming through to here have been changed, no matter the context. So Administration at the independent site are being more authoritarian than Wikia are.)

...Or, if things don't take off here, I can rest a little easier knowing that I can just assume people will start coming to the new version of Uncyclopedia instead, and I won't have to worry too much about people coming here and getting the wrong idea of the wiki if it turns into a vandal-magnet.

I though being a vandal magnet was part of what we were about here.
Having said all that, if you choose to go over to the indy site and not return here, then have fun. Sadly most of the people who I would have trusted to keep this site strong have done much the same. If you want to do what Al has done and bounce between the two, then you're always welcome here. (Although MrN8999 is more welcome - I always thought he was a better writer.)                               Puppy's talk page04:09 16 Feb
8999 here. Remember me? That guy right? ... That 9000 fellow sysop protected his user page to keep us out, and banned Cajek to make sure. What an Asshole. I always preferred 9001 actually. Quiet fellow. Hard worker, and virtually no fixation on pants. Of any kind. Pantaloons, bloomers, or britches.

On a non garment related issues:

I have read around most of the forums and such now, but I'm still not clear on exactly what your objection to the "New" wiki is? That you don't like how it was set up and announced? Yea, I read the forum that happened in recently... I don't understand why that is an objection to what it is now though. You said that you had asked questions of the new site, but they had been ignored or not well answered. My questions were answered.

Status quo 2005

...

What questions did you ask and not get an answer for? What are the issues I do not understand? Please explain it to me? MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 21:36, Feb 16

There's an emotive aspect to these discussions, sadly, as people get emotional relating to it. For me there's too much about the new site structure that just isn't open enough for me to understand, which makes it harder to trust those that hold the power over there. And I don't mean trusting their intentions - I'm confident that the Indy site was created with high ideals in mind. The issue is that I don't know who owns the rights to the URL, and therefore who can then sell it. I'm also unaware of how the hosting is structured, so if it's possible that the host could introduce a commercial aspect. And I'm unaware of how any income made from donations/merchandise sale/etc. is structured to be put back into supporting the community. And what worries me the most is what will happen if (and likely when) the cost of supporting the site hosting exceeds the amount that the community are willing to put into it's hosting.
And while I dislike having an external censor who controls the content we host, I also dislike not having guidelines on what we host. The problem is that the less we have in relationship to guidelines on “acceptable content” and the more financial burden this puts on those that are currently supporting it, the more likely we are to run down the path that ED did in the past. Even the Wikia site is more like Illogicopedia than it used to be, and elements of ED memeism and sickopedia stupidity keep creeping in.
Wikia hosting is not perfect, but it's a devil I know and understand. Every time I ask about these other issues I get stonewalled or told I'm just trying to destroy that site. I honestly don't agree with the “There can be only one” mentality. But I'm hesitant to add any support to a site where I don't know where my work will end up or in what way it will be used. Especially when I'm told on one hand my opinion is worthless, but on the other hand my writing is worthwhile and free to be used in any way they see fit.
I want both sites to succeed. I just can't see the viability of the independent site. And until I know I can trust it to survive and remain non-commercial, I don't want to submit any writing there. (Although I'm still happy to natter with people and give technical help where I can.)
In the meantime, I know this site works. And I have enough invested in this site staying afloat that I refuse to abandon it for a site that I can't rely on.                               Puppy's talk page04:12 17 Feb
What Pup said. Also, I really don't think the fork is able to handle real-world legal issues. So, even if the website hosts act is good faith, and the community is able to give $1,500 a year, the whole thing could suddenly disappear because someone mucked up a DMCA takedown notice. In that case, all your donations, and the domain name, will go to the highest bidder, and the edit history over there may be lost. If you don't want your articles to go missing, then I would suggest having them in as many places as possible. I gave Aleister permission to move my articles to the fork, but they haven't been moved over there for whatever reason. --Mn-z 08:11, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
I have read lots of stuff around the wiki now, but have not been into IRC. From what I can tell a lot of organizing the "fork" was done on IRC. I can also see that in some cases the way that decisions were made, and then how those decisions was communicated to others was poor at times. Reading through the forums some comments in particular were particularly poorly made. I'm not surprised that some users took aversion to what looked a lot like someone telling them what to do. It was like... "OK guys! we are leaving. k thanks bye.". No discussion. The decision had already been made for you. I can see how it kinda looked like that. I think Romartus said something along those lines. For the record, I remember talking about this back in... Um. 2009?

OK. Actual issues:

  • The issue is that I don't know who owns the rights to the URL, and therefore who can then sell it.

This is what RAHB said to me:

“ The server we're using now is owned by a server-lending sort of company in Europe or something. I forgot the name, somebody else knows. I believe that most things are currently in Lyrithya's name. She also is doing a great deal of remote server administration, as are Legoktm and wctaiwan (a person whose account I can't find at the moment and probably goes by a different name). Bizzeebeaver above, Skizzerz and Jack Phoenix round out the very technical side of things. As well as a user on freenode that I know as Emufarmers. EMC (who now goes by the nick Hotadmin4u69, it's a long story, don't ask) is running most of our social media and the Uncyclopedia store. Zombiebaron and I have been...uh, observing the process I suppose, as we both have server access but no idea what to actually use it for. On the less technical end of things, Zombiebaron and TKF are the most active 'crats, and Dawg has also made a triumphant return recently. Zombiebaron is supreme dictator of the world for life. The server is being paid for by some generous users and hopefully by donations and store purchases in the future. The guarantee that we won't become a for-profit site generally comes from three factors. One is that, for what it's worth, I put my utmost trust in the above listed users and their commitment to keeping the site's integrity in-tact. Two is that legally things are much cleaner for us if we remain non-profit anyway. And three is that servers and bandwidth are expensive and any money that comes in will need to go to that stuff first and foremost, and then second and second-most. A number of forums detail users' concerns with this and administration's reassurances. The main function of this new Uncyclopedia is to be Uncyclopedia by and for the Uncyclopedians. User suggestions are taken into account when dictating how to use the resources at our disposal and users are encouraged to donate to server upkeep. Also, if I'm not mistaken, we're currently working on getting some sort of Non-Profit "organization" sort of registration or something, although I might be mistaken. Lyrithya would probably best be able to answer anything more specific than I've already said and correct my glaring errors.”
~ RAHB
To me this means that one of the Uncyc admins owns it. Someone had to. Would you like to? In my opinion the person who has actually put their name to this is rather brave. If anything did go wrong with the site, then the person who owns the url is likely to be in the firing line. So what is to stop them selling it to make money? Nothing. They could. Well, if they did. We would kill them. We would go to their home and cut their heart out with a spoon. It would not be like when Chronarion sold the site last time. He made a mistake. He trusted Wikia not to make drastic changes to Uncyclopedia, and they did. But... That would not happen again. Due to this situation being different, and also the issue with the spoon. :)
  • I'm also unaware of how the hosting is structured, so if it's possible that the host could introduce a commercial aspect.

Well... There is a server. If the site ever becomes commericial we would cut out the heart of appropriate people with the previously discussed spoon. The site will need to generate enough money to run. Donations and merchendising will do this. I'm confident of this, and I know that there are a few individuals who will (if necessary) stump up the cash required to run the site. We are NOT ED. I don't know why you think that moving away from Wikia will make us more shock and awe. The site was fine before Wikia. It will be fine without it. Why would it change all of a sudden?

  • And I'm unaware of how any income made from donations/merchandise sale/etc. is structured to be put back into supporting the community.

What information would you like? Maybe there should be some kinda Uncyclopedia constitution drawn up about this? Please write it? Please? ??? Please? I will let you sleep with my sister is you agree to this...

  • Per Mnz... What Pup said. Also, I really don't think the fork is able to handle real-world legal issues
Chronarion managed it. What issues can't we handle?
  • Is able to give $1,500 a year,

I don't think it's $1,500 a year. I thought that was total setup cost, not per year.

  • the whole thing could suddenly disappear because someone mucked up a DMCA takedown notice. In that case, all your donations, and the domain name, will go to the highest bidder, and the edit history over there may be lost. If you don't want your articles to go missing, then I would suggest having them in as many places as possible.

On the legal side... I'm not a lawyer, but i have slept with a few, so I think that makes me an expert. :) My understanding is that Wikia hosted Uncyclopedia is far more vulnerable to legal attack than "free" Uncyclopedia because Wikia make money out of Uncyclopedia. Because wikia are a commercial money making company who are making money out of hosting these pages when someones complains about these pages the law listens more. For example... If I write a book saying you are gay, and sell it, and people laugh at you and I make money because of that, then that's worse than if I write a book saying you are gay, but give it away. Anyway, I don't totally understand it, you probably actually need to be gay to understand it. However, I do see the sense in it. A non profit making site has got to be harder to attack legally than a profit making one. If "free" Uncyc gets a DMCA takedown notice then I guess the community will deal with it in an open forum. How much better is that than Wikia just telling us they have decided for us. Do we have the balls to actually handle this kinda stuff? Yes. We do. I think so. That's why we did this. The way I see it.... The WORST that could happen is that if for some reason the Uncyc community was not able to host the site any more then it would eventually end up going back to some random wiki host. Like Wikia. Yep. They would take us back. I bet you. There are others who would I suspect. Because.... We make money for them, which is why they want to keep this wiki open now. Anyone can take a copy of the database. I have done a few times. Lots of people will always do this for Uncyc. There is a mirror anyway. The content of the database of Uncyc will never "die". Where it is hosted might change, but someone will always be willing to host us for the same reason that Wikia do not want to let go of the site now. Money.

  • ... And until I know I can trust it to survive and remain non-commercial, I don't want to submit any writing there.

That's why I'm here. I want to convince you to do that. How can I? If we wrote a "constitution" and got acceptance of that at "free" Uncyc would that do it? MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 23:04, Feb 17

edit a new header

Large sections make it a nightmare to write on my phone.

This NFP organisation that has been established is a concern, as the only way I know it exists is via heresay. But a genuine charter, T&Cs, and structure is important to establish. Because that's what will give us an assurance that unfettered we won't become another ED. Both sites complain about arbitrary and harsh decisions made by admins on the other. Without having a solid guideline to point back to and say “This decision was made because of this” saves us from having that criticism. HTBFANJS covers a lot of it, but is limited due to the fact that it's more a manual of style than anything else.

I was under the impression from my reading that the server was hosted in Canada, but I could be completely wrong on that. It may simply be that most of the work on the server prior to 5th January came from Canada. Because ZB has been busy.

As an aside: The mirror is a very limited resource, by the way. It's only updated manually, and that's generally done by me. I'm having enough issues getting on here to do the little that I do as it is. And now I'm stuck with the problem of what gets updated from which site. It looks as though Carlb has decided that the Indy site is the “official” site, but his dislike or Wikia borders on the fanatical, so I give little credence to his perspective.

It also operates in the principle of “we don't delete unless it's UN:CB or UN:CM”. Which meant that I could revive Point-Counterpoint, so there is an advantage to that. But it also means if we needed to recreate the site from the mirror we'd have the nightmare job first of clearing out all the deadwood. (Which I have a long-term solution for, but that's an off-site discussion.)

But back to main point: If the new site has a charter, and is funded by an officially registered NFP that keeps it separate from individual manipulation, that takes out the personal element from the reins of control, and I'll happily edit there more regularly. I'll continue to work here predominantly though, and then further down the list will be the mirror. And it'll mean that I'll actually be happy to leave my existing content there. But we really need people like yourself and Al to try and remain as impartial as possible relating to issues between the two wikis. Otherwise both will suffer due to fighting between the two. (And we need people like SPIKE and BB to focus on one wiki over the other as well, but we already have them.)                               Puppy's talk page12:01 18 Feb 2013

Thanks Pup. Uncyclopedia is my favorite place on the net, and currently I see the community being ripped in half. That is not good. ... I hope I'm impartial. I do however have views about what the best thing is for Uncyclopedia. I'm pretty sure that does not involve the userbase being ripped in half...


I have done a bit of reading up about NFP organisations and from what I can tell it's mostly about tax and such. I don't know if the new site has "official" NFP status, or what that would mean if it did. But... Surely whatever setup there was there must in the end be an element of trust. I guess someone is going to be taking money from the merchandising and donations and whoever is doing this could potentially rip us off. Even if free Uncyc was registered as a NFP then that would not prevent them doing that. You said "takes out the personal element from the reins of control". I don't understand what you mean by this. Surely whatever happens someone somewhere has got to be trusted to handle the money?


I guess the thing which would stop free Uncyc from being used for profit would be the same thing which stopped Wikia from plastering adds all over the wiki like they always wanted to... That thing is us. If whoever has the power to abuse Uncyc tried to abuse it the users would not let them. Just like they have here with Wikia. Without the support of the community it actually does not matter if you own the url of a wiki, you still can't go against the wish of the community because if you do they will all leave the site and you have noone to run it. Also, the spoon.


I'm guessing that free Uncyc is not "officially" as an registered nfp. I assume that if it were then that would cost money?


RE Carlb. He has done a lot of good for the Uncyclopedia over the years. It's not just Carlb who is pointing to free Uncyc now. Also many international edits for interwiki links are now going there. Also the Facebook, Twitter and Youtube accounts also now point to free Uncyc.
So if free Uncyc is not an "Official NFP" organisation ~(whatever that is) then that's a deal breaker for you? What exactly do you mean by NFP?
That aside, what should it say in the charter for new Uncyc? MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 01:05, Feb 18

edit Paraphrasing the above...

If I may try my hand at this:

  1. All the costs were up-front and there are no ongoing expenses.
  2. Zombiebaron as "dictator-for-life" is a more stable environment than a capricious corporation.
  3. Although A Time For Secrecy gave way to A Time For Unity, anyone who was simply on IRC at the right time would have been dealt into the game from the start.
  4. Everyone running the Fork is implicitly trustworthy, though users retain the option of cutting their hearts out with a spoon.
  5. The Fork is safer (for us and our texts) than Wikia, through some combination of poverty and anonymity. And, it is in Europe.

Give me a break! Spıke ¬ 00:51 18-Feb-13

OK SPIKE...
  • All the costs were up-front and there are no ongoing expenses.

I have no idea where you got this idea from. I have read the forums and never saw anyone say anything like that. Obviously there are on going costs.

  • Zombiebaron as "dictator-for-life" is a more stable environment than a capricious corporation.

That's a joke. Zombiebaron does not rule Uncyclopedia. On Uncyclopedia all Sysops are equal, and Sysops are also exactly equal to all Bureaucrats. A bureaucrats is not a higher rank than a sysop as the extra tools he/she has are only to be used with the express permission of the community. ZB knows this. although apparently TKF appears to forgets that fact occasionally. THAT is how the Uncyclopedia works. If anyone disagrees with me about this I want to know.

  • Although A Time For Secrecy gave way to A Time For Unity, anyone who was simply on IRC at the right time would have been dealt into the game from the start.

I agree the way things were handled were at times poor, I can see that some people were on IRC and some were not. I can see how that has cause friction and a lot of issues.

  • Everyone running the Fork is implicitly trustworthy, though users retain the option of cutting their hearts out with a spoon.

No one is implicitly trustworthy. So? I don't see that you are making a point here.

  • The Fork is safer (for us and our texts) than Wikia, through some combination of poverty and anonymity. And, it is in Europe.

I don't see that you are making a point here. it's safer because it's not openly trying to profit from putting the page on the net like Wikia are. That's rather simple and obvious. I do not see how you don't understand.

  • Give me a break!

Where would you like it? On a serious note... I don't see that you are making any valid points here SPIKE. I did see in the forums that one particular user was a total asshole to you when you said you wanted to stay at Wikia, but I have seen nothing from you which explains your views really. What I'm seeing is you saying "I don't like how they did it and told me about it". MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 01:19, Feb 18

edit Did someone steal the moon? It was there last time I looked, and now it's gone.

  • I just got to this wall of words which has been built without me knowing about it. First of all, and most importantly, msnbc says I haven't moved his pages to FreeUncy even though he gave me permission. Lazy bugger, tommyknocking layabout, I'm not going to move his pages, do it yourself if you can read. If I were you I'd put all my pregnent pages in one big package and drop it at their door and pregant the place up. msnbc is a treasure here, and if he or she wants to move hisher pages somewhere, don't expect help from the audience.
  • Is that it? I think that was all. As for the two uncy's, hahahahahahaha. Double our search engine hits, double our depository, give everyone a change to play in two large playgrounds, and enjoy the people and banter wherever it may be. I like the banter here more, but c'mon, there is no "here", everything and everybody is a click away just as they've always been. I'm adding my pages to both non-here places, but in my mental "feeling and knowingness" space I like writing here more, I don't know why, but all that means is there is a room in the mansion where I write that's as close to either place. When I feel comfortable with new edits on a page I move the page there (as you may notice I enjoy polishing my old pages, giving them the benefit of the great learning curve I've picked up writing here. Those older pages may get polished enough that I can move them, and that too comes on a feeling level).
  • Bottom line, I don't understand why more people aren't here, helping out the very good people who work the site. Spike is doing so much it surprises me that he is so amazingly important to this place, when awhile ago he took a long break and left us to our muddling. Puppy and Romartus and msnbc and Chief, some of the verterbre of uncy's backbone, have all stayed here and kept the lights on, and again, I don't know why anyone would be unhappy with that or mock it (I see much more anomisity at the new site, a great deal more, than here. Maybe it's one reason I like it here. THe other site even has regular updates in the unsignpost now about the war between the sites, which is a one-sided war as far as I've seen. They should instead be encouraging everone to come here and post their work, imnho, for I can see no negatives and all positives from having two active hives of the same bee family. And if anyone wants to ever sue uncyclopedia for slander or whatever,they will have to sue two places and get into a fight they don't want (see "John Scherer"). Now I will go to the other site just to look around, and come back and work on an old page I want to tweek and see if things come to me as I read it. Rooms in a house (and msnbc can carry his own books over to that library, thank you). Adding to the wall of words 1:41 18-2-'13
Then I disagree with ya Al. I really can't see how two Uncyc's running together can work or be a good thing for Uncyclopedia as a whole. If the two wiki intended to go in different directions and do different things with different goals then maybe, but... Do either wiki intend to change anything significant? I don't think so. In my opinion what we have here now is a farce. The same project in two places. We have IPs editing both wiki now. Free Uncyc is now being found by the IPs. Real IPs 2! Terrible edits and everything! So... The articles on both wiki are progressively getting different. There are people editing one article on one wiki, not knowing that actually on the other wiki there is a better version which someone edited yesterday. Those guys could have collaborated, but never will because they do not know that there are two versions of Uncyc. Over time this will happen more and more. ... The suggestion that it's somehow going to be possible to run backwards and forwards between the two wiki keeping them in sync is IMO bonkers. Sure, we could do it for a few individual articles, but not the mass of general edits, especially the IP edits. Yesterday I did run through the VFD list on wikia Uncyc and huff the stuff at free Uncyc to keep that right, but still...
To answer your question Al. "I don't understand why more people aren't here". Well, a lot of users have now moved to free Uncyc and have no intention of editing here again so I guess that's why they are not helping here. I guess they do not mind what happens to the database here because they have free Uncyc and feel that in time Wikia will be embarrassed into stopping hosting Uncyclopedia. MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 02:17, Feb 18
Ah, there's the thing. Wikia seems to want to keep hold of this site, and I and others asked them over and over to just let it go, to let the community have it. But no deal. Jimbo Wales and the crew seemingly want to keep it with a huge warning label and then make sure that it stays way in front on the search engines. So there will be two, no matter what we all would ideally want to occur. Your point is that there should just be one site, and if wishes were horses. But if there were only the fork, Lyrthria would own it (if I understand you correctly), so all that would stand in-between the end of uncy and the deep blue sea would be one person, so I'm glad this back-up exists. The two will have different edits, and we already have different Writers of the Year and Uncyclopedians of the Year, so they are no longer the exact same site. See, we can go round and round on this, but the fact is there will be two sites for a long long time, and we should quit bumping our heads on that ceiling and talk about how to make both of them better, how and what to share, and move over the best articles to each site (not every edit, but features and other pages everyone agrees should be kept nearly the same). Talking and talking about things which are ideal loses the focus on what is real. I heard someone say once "Can't we all just get along?" and then they pounded him to the ground again. (p.s. I tried to find you at ats. you need 20 posts to make a thread, and I look forward to having those kind of discussions with you!!! I can unofficially adopt you, although there is no such thing there, just ask me any questions of how to best get around and look at things. More on that soon) Al later that day
Don't worry. I have read that now. I think I have read most of the stuff about this now. ... Oh I don't doubt that Wikia want to keep Uncyclopedia. They paid money for it. It makes money for them. They are obviously very embarrassed over this, and are trying to save face. It does not look good for them at all.
Answer me this...
What would happen if everyone here who is currently running this Wikia wiki all went to "free" Uncyc and abandoned this one? Lets say for 2 or 3 weeks. What would happen? The front page would not get updated. Massive vandal attacks not reverted, noting working... People would start to ask questions. They would have to lock the database if vandalism was not being reverted. Obviously I am not advocating vandalism. I'm just saying that it would happen if there were no sysops. I guess Wikia would want to appoint some sysops? If there was enough solidarity in the community and users refused to accept being a sysop on the Wikia site then... No Sysops. No Wikia Uncyclopedia. Are Wikia going to pay someone to do it? Um. No. How many users on this site now actually could do it that are not currently sysops and are active? Not many... If EVERYONE left it would be VERY embarrassing for Wikia. As it is they can just claim that free Uncyc is just a minor offshoot of Uncyclopedia, and that actually the wiki is running fine. From what I can tell the truth is actually very different. So... We the community do have the power to make Wikia shut the wiki down. If we decided that was what we wanted to do. From what I can tell the only reason that a consensus to do that in the community has not been reached is due to people not talking to each other properly.
Tell me I'm wrong? MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 04:19, Feb 18
I understand why FUNC want WUNC to be abandoned to 'the crickets' to quote EMC but perhaps some of us prefer to have this Wikia option available and what Aleister said above. WUNC may have a much smaller user base but that is not to say that could change in future. Who knows. Meanwhile, those who contribute at FUNC do deserve their 'Philadelphia Forum' (and I am not talking about cheese here). --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 08:46, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
Romartus. I have no affinity with "FUNC". or WUNC or whatever it's called. I care not one jot about either. I want what's best for Uncyclopedia. Romartus why is having two Uncyclopedia better? Also, and just to clarify so you guys know... THE ONLY REASON WIKIA HAVE NOT BEEN FORCED TO CLOSE THIS WIKI SO FAR IS BECAUSE THE PROPLE NOW RUNNIG THIS WIKI ARE GIVING THEM THE POWER NOT TO. If users refused to sysop this wiki, Wikia would have to close it. You are keeping this wiki open. v
Guys. Please. Explain this to me. I have come back after months away ... The site is split into 2... I'm trying to sort this out, and you lot are saying "Because we want to" ? Eh? WTF? Let's have some REAL SOLID reasons please. Then maybe it's possible to fix this... MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 13:40, Feb 18
What is to prevent Jupiterfox from coming back, becoming a synops, and turning this into a illiterate furry-secks wiki? Worse, if this wiki closes, and the fork goes down, where is it going to be hosted? Back on Wikia maybe? If so, Wikia would be in a perfect position to force the community to accept ads, whatever awful skin Wikia is forcing on everyone at the moment, et cetera. Maybe on another user-created site? But it took about a year to get the fork going, and a re-creation would have even less resources than the fork, and if the project was down, communication would be 10 times harder. --Mn-z 14:18, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
Ahh. Mnbvcxz. A cool head, asking sensible questions! Thank you. Well...
  • What is to prevent Jupiterfox from coming back, becoming a synops, and turning this into a illiterate furry-secks wiki?

Nothing. I hope that happens. Wikia were always going to try to keep hold of this wiki. It makes money for them. This was always going to be needed to be necessary. ... If Jupiterfox wishes to turn this into a furry-secks wiki then that would be fine with me. That would mean that this wiki was a furry-secks wiki, whereas func (is that the name?) was Uncyclopedia. It would become a different project. Currently the status quo is a farce. Also, I don't think that Wikia could keep this wiki running if they did not have sysops who were able to actually do the job like a real sysop.

  • Worse, if this wiki closes, and the fork goes down, where is it going to be hosted? Back on Wikia maybe?

If the worst comes to the worst and the fork fails then Uncyclopedia will always be able to find a home somewhere. Anyone can take a copy of the database at anytime. Why do Wikia want to keep Uncyclopedia? Because it generates traffic to pages, and from that they make money. Why would anyone else agree to host Uncyclopedia in the future? Because they would make money out of doing it. We could and would find a new home. If the worst came to the worst the yes... We might end up where we are currently right now with Wikia hosting us. Again... Thank you Mnz. Did I answer your questions or do you still think I'm talking pants? I'm hoping people can see that this is... Um. MrN. Remember me? That guy right? I'm not trying to cause trouble here. I'm trying to help fix this... Here is something else to think about... Uncyclopedia is released under a license which says it can not be used for profit. Yet... Wikia make profit from Unyclopedia. So how is that possible? I think that "problem" is one reason why Wikia needed to put the warning sign up. Because they make money, it's more easy to sue them. Actually I think the entire Wikia uncycopedia database is possibly a breach of the creative commons license. I don't see how Wikia can host it legally. The license says they cant make money out of it. Yet they do... Hmm. MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 14:43, Feb 18

edit Take it to email

There's no benefit in our laundry being in the street. It won't help either site or the larger community.                               Puppy's talk page05:25 18 Feb 2013

Sorry no. People doing things in private, and not openly on the wiki is what got us into this mess in the first place. Also, if you had not noticed this is my talk page. Has Wikia Uncyclopedia reached the point now where a user is censored on their own talk page? MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 05:50, Feb 18
Nah. I just think the two of you are both reasonable enough to discuss this without mud-slinging, but you're both acting like… well… me.                               Puppy's talk page06:57 18 Feb 2013
Total bollocks. I'm not mud slinging, neither is Al. We are both just trying to sort out this mess. There are no sides here. Everyone is an Uncyclopedian MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 13:42, Feb 18
Getting back to what matters... What should be in the Uncyclopedia constitution? In addition, George Washington had it easy... MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 14:11, Feb 18

edit Another Header

To clarify:

The $1,500 per year figure is from the Uncyclopedia web page, quoting Nl:En:Uncyclopedia:Donate, emphasis mine, "Our 1.6 servers are expensive as they are projected to cost Uncyclopedia approximately $1,500 per year alone." This is their claim that they need $1,500 per year to run the servers.

The law generally does not distinguish between non-profit and for-profit copyright violation claims. If the Fork is not legally organized as a non-profit corporation, or some sort of corporation, Lyrithya, or whoever's name is on it, is personally legally liable as the webhost.

The community should NOT be responding to DMCA take-down notices. Real-life legal matters should be addressed by the persons legally liable for such issues, or their paid agents, not a gang of teenagers on the internet. Due to how DMCA take-down notices work, it fight one involves going to court, and "fair-use" is legally a defense, not a right. And, we actually don't have valid fair-use claims on much of what we use here. On a side note, American copyright law is not as bad as copyright laws in some other countries.

Uncyclopedia is larger and more well known than it was in the pre-Wikia days. Doing some research, Chronarion's first edit was Jan 5, 2005. Chronarion announced Wikia's hosting of uncyclopedia on May 26, 2005 here That means uncyclopedia was only independently hosted for 4 1/2 months, and at the time, uncyclo's database was fast approaching the 100 Megabyte limit on the old server according or Chronarion. --Mn-z 14:47, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

RE $1,500. I don't know. Sounds high to me. I have not spoken to the people on IRC yet. I have been putting that off... They obviously think they can do raise it. I know that there are a few individuals who have suggested the offer of financial support, but I don't know exactly what is going on. Obviously the guys who have done this think it's not a problem. I'm guessing that talk about this got lost in the jumble of talk and raised voices while all this was going on. I think we just need to get the right info to the right people on this...
  • The law generally does not distinguish between non-profit and for-profit copyright violation claims

So we are talking about "copyright violation" claims here now... I don't understand why you think that at all Mnz. Let's say you wrote a book and started to sell it... I then all the words in the book on my house. But then anther guy came along and copied your book, started printing it, and selling it. Who are you going to want to sue first, and who will the law take a more dim view of? On the issue of legal matters... My issue of the entire Wikia Uncyc database being a breach of the creative license continues to stand. I have yet to see anyone explain how it's possible for a company who make money from hosting wiki to host a wiki which has has a non for profit license.

If somone is not making somthing which is money out of something how can you copyyou make something and sell it, and then I make something

  • The community should NOT be responding to DMCA take-down notices.

Why? Maybe there are also some people who actually know what they are talking about on Uncyc?

  • ...that means uncyclopedia was only independently hosted for 4 1/2 months, and at the time

Back in 2005 the content of Uncyclopedia was FAR more controversial than it is today. UN:CBN rules had not been established and you were basically allowed to write anything about anything. There was some shocking stuff going on. Attack articles on kids. Dodgy pictures of kids. All sorts... Were there legal problems for Chron? I don't think so. Our content and rules are far stricter now, so the issues would be less. Also... Sickipedia... ED... There are many other sites who do this sort of thing fine, and they contain more offensive content that Uncyclopedia. Seen this? ? I wonder if that zaiger guy really is the guy commenting at the bottom really is the guy who set up the new ED wiki. If ED can do it... I think Uncyclopedia can. I don't see why you don't? MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 16:19, Feb 18

DMCA take-down notices are somewhat different than traditional copyright issues. The webhost is required to remove the offending material almost on request. The person uploading the material can then challenge the take-down notice, and the if the entity filing the takedown notice doesn't retract, they fight it out in court. Although the system does somewhat favor the takedown notice-filer, the upshot of this toward the acused copyright violator is the copyright issue can be resolved without turning it into a literal federal case. However, the webhost can't claim fair-use unless said webhost wants to "own" the liability for the potential copyright violation. Copyright law does not give "non-profit" organizations the right to use anything and everything, contrary to what some people think.
Regarding ED, the various webhosts have faced some legal issues, although those may have been due to cyber-attacks rather than content issues. Girlvinyl had some run-ins with the FBI, and received a good bit of real-life harassment. Ryan Cleary was arrested by Scotland Yard, although that appears to be due to unrelated to his role as ED host. And lets not forget recent e-Martyr Aaron Swartz and his legal issues with non-profit copyright violations.
My point isn't ZOMG! COPYRIGHT LAWS!!!1! You can actually get away with alot if you know how to game the system. But you must know the rules of the system, which implies that you must know that there is a system and it has rules rather or not you like the system and its rules. You can, for example, watch copyright violations on Youtube with impunity. However, torrent-ing the same material could result in legal trouble. Assuming or pretending that you are immortal is quickest way to get yourself killed. Telling someone to "go fuck themselves" when they give you a DMCA takedown notice, as some recent admin candidates have suggested, or otherwise pretending that you are above the law is not going to end well.
Wikia knows what it can and can't do without getting itself sued out of existence. I don't think the fork does. --Mn-z 16:54, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
Hea Mnz. Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. RE the DMCA take-down notices and that forum. Yes, I can see how someone reading that forum could get the idea that the fork can not handle itself legally. Some of the comments made in that forum bother me greatly, however... I think that Lyrithya answered the question of the forum when she said:
"If folks send us a takedown notice, if it's reasonable we'll probably just take whatever it is down, replace it with something else. No big deal."
From reading that forum I think it's clear that comments like "We're Uncyclopedia. We don't negotiate legal settlements" from TKF it would be easy to get the wrong idea about the forks intentions. As I have said, I have not been into IRC, but I think I know what is going on.... Actually, in reality obviously what Lyrithya said is correct. We would react to takedown notices on a case by case bases depending on the situation. Clearly we would not just say "fuck you" to all legal issues. Perhaps TKF is saying what he is saying in that forum as he wants people to think that is what we would do. Perhaps he hopes that by suggesting the position he is then perhaps Uncyc might get a few less people "trying it on" than they would otherwise. For example all major governments have a strict "no negotiation with terrorists" policy. If you ask them they will say that they will never pay a ransom, or submit to terrorists demands. They have to. If they did not, they would get lots more terrorist demands. But... The truth is that countries pay ransoms and give into terrorist demands all the time. They just don't like to talk about it. ;)
I doubt that TKF really is that naive... Although I have questioned Lyrithya's judjement in the past over some matters, on this I think she knows what she is doing. Also, it's not like it's only Lyrithya. We have the entire Uncyc userbase as a support network.
Regarding ED.. So nothing has happened to ED because of its content? I think we both know that Uncyc's content is less likely to be legally challenged than ED's. They are fine on that score, so Uncyc should be to right? Actually... Thinking about it, Carlb has hosted a mirror of Uncyc for years. I think he runs that out of a PC in his bedroom. No problems for him 2.
Talking about "Wikia knows what it can do"... Well... Asside from the fact that Wikia are currently making money out of content which is released under a non profit license... Let's pretend I'm Michelle Obama. There are two copies of Uncyclopedia on the internet both of them have an article about me which I don't like. Am I going to be more pissed off with a website which is non profit and run by volunteers, or a website which is profiting financially taking the piss out of me?
I'm aware that people are getting very stressed over this... I have a forum post planned at free uncyc in which I'm going to address a number of issues... From what I can see... One big issue here has been communication as some users spend a lot of time in IRC and some don't... Again, thanks for the reply. Mnz. MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 20:32, Feb 19
I don't think the average person cares if the webhost (not the site) is profit or "non-profit". Almost all webhosting is done commerically, facebook makes money off of ads, youTube makes money off of ads, as does Yahoo, google, myspace, et cetera. In point of fact, the fork IS earning money off of ad revenue according to its donation page. This wiki has no ads, not even the ad-once-removed spotlight ads. The other site is begging for donations, this one isn't. From outward appearances, this site looks less commercial than the fork.
More to the point, Wikia is not generating the content here. If I were to libel someone on facebook, they would get mad at me, rather than facebook for earning 32 cents of ad revenue on the libelous comment.
I don't think Lyrithya is going to go with the "go fuck yourself" route. However, I'm not sure she knows how to dot all the ?I's and cross all the T's in responding to various legal threats. --Mn-z 14:05, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't think the average person cares if the webhost (not the site) is profit or "non-profit".

I do. A lot. For proof, look at the history of Uncyclopedia. Look at when Wikia dicked us around, and look at how that affected the number of users on Uncyc. I think you will find that a lot of people were very upset about the site moving from .org to .com. A lot left. People understood that this meant that Wikia would be using Uncyc's traffic to make it look like Wikia have more pages to advertise on than they really do. Do you think that the warning notice has not made a difference to the users/readers of this site? The Uncyc community is not like that of facebook, youtube or whatever. Generally Uncyc readers are more sensitive to certain issues than others. Also... For additional proof that users don't like to be on a for profit wiki look the users who have returned to the new site. DAWG, Brad, Mooses. Kip the Dip is now much more active. Many users appear to have come alive all of a sudden. As time goes on, and more people realise that the fork is there I suspect more people will go back to it. If they don't now it's because they don't know the fork exists yet.

  • From outward appearances, this site looks less commercial than the fork.

Hardly. I would think that most people using this site know that Wikia is a commercial company. Tell you what... Ask Sannse this... If the fork puts a link to the wikia site in their site notice, will wikia put up a site notice linking to the fork? I think not. I suspect that Wikia know very well that most people, given the choice would choose to go to the NFP site.

  • I don't think Lyrithya is going to go with the "go fuck yourself" route. However, I'm not sure she knows how to dot all the ?I's and cross all the T's in responding to various legal threats.

You appear to be assuming that it's just Lyrithya who would deal with any issues which came up. She would not. She would have the support of the entire Uncyc community. ED manage fine, as do sickipedia. I suspect that Uncyclopedia is actually far more able to handle potential issues than ED or sickipedia. I also suspect that Uncyclopedia is less likely to need to handle any issues which might come up as the content here is less likely to cause a challenge. Done a google search on Uncyclopedia recently? The fork is now 4th on the list... I actually have a few other question which I would like to ask you via e-mail, and not on the wiki. If you are up for this, please e-mail me on mrn9k@yahoo.co.uk MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 15:58, Feb 20

  • My issue wasn't if the editor cared that Wikia is a for-profit company. My issue is that the maker of legal threats doesn't care. --Mn-z 17:04, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
I think you are wrong, but you decided not to e-mail me so I'm going to give up. Take care. MrN Icons-flag-gb (talk to me) 15:29, Feb 21
Sir ScottPat Icons-flag-gb Scotland Flag 1 UnS CUN VFH (talk) 15:24, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

edit Express Delivery...is not available today (just normal delivery)

Sir ScottPat Icons-flag-gb Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose UnS CUN VFH and Bar (talk) 02:23 19, September 2014

edit

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Ak9 - When You Come Home

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