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UnSignpost - now with 20% more goose down

More importantly, the relevant pages have been moved to more sensible locations, and made a little easier to customise. I haven't added an editintro, as I think the process is pretty well established from UnSignpost:Signup help.                               Puppy's talk page01:35 31 Oct 2013

Interview for the UnSignpost

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Interviews are a serious business. Anton (talk) 18:22, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

UnSignpost - now with 20% more goose down

Anton (talk) 17:06, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Pee review lite template

Hey. I keep getting sidetracked and having trouble getting back to this. You seem to have an idea in mind as to how this should work, and are pretty handy with code. Are you able to mock up a template?

The way the current template of mine works is with an if/then statement. Pretty much if there's no content in the signature Section it displays one format if there is then it displays another. The scoring stuff is no longer directly relevant, so we can ditch that. I was thinking that we'd do much the same for the newer version of the template, but planning to add review as a field for free-form reviewing, and using a similar if/then statement.

Are you able to pick it up?                               Puppy's talk page02:27 05 Nov 2013

So you think one single template with all the options inside would do?
I will work on it for a while but I cannot promise any results very soon. Anton (talk) 18:21, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
I'm only expecting perfection, so no pressure.                               Puppy's talk page08:33 05 Nov 2013
Sure. Anton (talk) 08:04, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

VFD maximum

Please count the number of open ballots carefully, even though our current Wikia bug sometimes doesn't show section numbers; otherwise I should be obliged to give you the same 1-day "no exceptions" ban that ScottPat got, in the name of obsessive consistency! Spıke Ѧ 14:16 7-Nov-13

But it's not more than twenty right now, right? I won't nominate anything else. Anton (talk) 14:23, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see: "move" Aleister's Sojourn meant page-move, not move-to-VFD. Spıke Ѧ 14:25 7-Nov-13


Why are you both moving all the My Sojourn things but, maybe more importantly, why are you taking out the "swear" words on the pages you are moving? Please put them back. They fit the formula of the sojourn pages. Thanks. Aleister 7-11

p.s. Did you know that the category "My sojourn" is featured? That should enter the mix of reasoning about these pages as well, imnho. Where is mnnbbvvccxx when we need him.
p.s.s. And AAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhh, you are rewriting the pages as you move them, totally ruining the concept and the pages. I love you like a brother (although he does have a restraining order on me for just that reason) but, bless your heart, I don't think you know what you're doing with these. Please return them to their original states and in their proper homes. Thanks.
That's just the criticism I expected. Well, you might have noticed how dozens of these pages got deleted on VFD recently. So I decided to regroup all of them at UnBooks:My sojourn. And to in order to fit into one book, they should certainly be changed. And I did not removed the swearing part completely, only something I really did not like and what I thought could be replaced with cleverer jokes, not just simple imitation of other Sojourns.
P.S. I have not finished rewriting them and I hope that you will like the final result more. And where does "P.S.S" come from, isn't it "P.P.S"? Anton (talk) 20:39, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
P.S.S. Is an acronym for “Please say something”. I don't understand why the header is the last three days of the work week though.
Adding these together in one UnBook is probably the best way for them to survive. Individually they fall below the standards in HTBFANJS, but they have a consistency together that helps them survive. The double-up of in-jokes is likely to get knocked off along the way though. That time Mr Winkler was BUTT POOP raped by a wizard during my sojourn in AAAAAAA! (Kanye West version) is the first to go.                               Puppy's talk page09:01 07 Nov 2013
You forgot "Go eat shit fuckers". Anton (talk) 20:39, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Anton's effort to make sense of this rat's-nest of copycat pages is admirable. Spıke Ѧ 21:04 7-Nov-13
He is taking out the swear words (censorship may not be an issue where he lives, but he also lives here in uncyclopedialand) and changing the writing. Which totally destroys the formula which, remember, is a featured formula! It is the only category I know of which is featured. It should be solid as a rock, and left alone. How about putting the reallllly crappy ones up for VFD but not anything that doesn't rise to that level, and leave the rest alone, please. The formula, the category, is featured. And the featured formula is the imitation of the other sojourns.Aleister 7-11
No, neither here nor on VFD am I buying the line that this is an Encyclopedia Anyone Can Edit except for pages your hand has graced, for which we are a museum preserving them in vacuum jars. Spıke Ѧ 21:42 7-Nov-13
Aleister is right to be against removing the swear words. They're a My Sojourn specialty and deserve to stay. Taking them away is, almost, like taking away the yak picture. --Mimo&Maxus (Talk) 22:32, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
what? That's why things are featured, so the concept is kept and not randomized. Please explain how we can allow a user to tear apart a category of pages (the only featured category), edit the cuss words out of each article, rewrite them in his style and not in the style of the first of the My Sojourn pages, trims the things which make it unique, and somehow it becomes about me? wha? These pages have had their cursing removed, the swear words, the bad bad words, the wash your mouth out with soap words, the heart and soul of the WTF genius these pages have for those of us who appreciate them. Censorship of the worse kind. And you make it about me? Anyway, censorship, gutting the meme, killing the in-joke, just those minor things. So I'm just weighing in on saving a part of uncy history, which is a bad thing why? Aleister 7-11
Anton, hi. I seem to have gotten into some kind of fight here, with SPIKE, and I may need to go to the mattresses. I don't know what it's about. Anyway, after putting attention on it I'm not at all against the UnBook idea, and am for it actually. Just as is. Each page should be copied into the Content Page of the UnBook exactly how the author's left them at the time you decided to make them into a book. Does that make sense? Aleister 7-11
p.s. This pic and caption you removed from an article I wrote, is one of the main parts of the My Sojourn series (it's like a haiku, or any other formulated piece of writing) - the picture on the right of the page always has words similar to this in them. So by removing the picture and the caption you are chopping the lady in half.

It looked kinda like this, only fucking psycho.

I reverted my edits to your page, right after I made them. And I am not done with editing the articles I moved. If you think that swearing is fine there, then fine, I will read it, only I thought that there could be something cleverer there. Anton (talk) 17:28, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

There are indeed several things cleverer than swearing. There are many things cleverer than swearing to be part of the "in-joke," swearing merely because the author of the model page swore, in other words, to "make it unique" [sic]. Spıke Ѧ 17:49 8-Nov-13
Of course there are things cleverer than swearing. Way off topic. The My Sojourn formula comes from the first My Sojourn page. It's like the first Haiku, the first Locked-Room mystery. There are certain details that have to appear in every My Sojourn story. That formula includes the words "fucking" and "kinda like this, only fucking psycho, an account of the injuries, etc. This is not only an in-joke formula, it is a featured formula. I can see editing some of the worse pages to fit the formula more, but that might include adding swearing. Ok, that said, the point then becomes, if these changes are allowed to stand and the formula is broken (like not allowing haikus and editing past haikus to break the formula), then the charge of pure censorship can be rightfully argued, at the minimum. So how about creating the UnBook but not messing with the pages unless they don't fit the formula? Makes the most sense to me at least, where are the holes in that plan? Thanks. Aleister 8-11
Aleister, I understand you perfectly well and I undid all my deletions of swear words. What I mean is that sometimes in-jokes are just purely stupid imitations of other in-jokes and they might do with a better concept and phrasing. However I noticed that That time I accidentally miscalculated the date of creation during my sojourn in London is a lot cleverer than I thought when I read it for the first time. Probably because of the language barrier, so - sorry. Anton (talk) 20:38, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
right, you have to get into the rhythm of the formula to know if the page is good or not (and I'm winging a lot of these comments, and learning at the same time I'm typing them - so I haven't yet gotten full appreciation of the pages which, I just realize, your unbook can make people do). It is like a haiku. Some haiku's are horrible, and some are great poems. The trick is to fit the concept into the haiku formula and carve it out using a set pattern. Damn, if I'm not appreciating these pages more, and will have to go back and read the good ones. Thanks for opening my sleepy eyes. Your unbook can turn out to be total fun. Aleister going back to read a few now
Hopefully. I myself wrote one as an introduction for it. However, it does not obey the formula, as this exaggerates the formula more when the reader sees it in the next chapters. Anton (talk) 20:58, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
One of the concerns with formulaic writing is that the writing has to be better than the standard in order for it to work. Terry Pratchett included verses of the song “the hedgehog can't be buggered at all” in one of his books. In a later book his dedication was to all the people who sent him extra verses of the song, followed by the words “Oh dreary, dreary me.”
Or, closer to Al's initial example, Haikus Are Stupid.                               Puppy's talk page09:20 08 Nov 2013
Haikus are not stupid! But they do not work in the other languages the same way as they do in Japanese. And where does this UnPoetia come from? Haikus are supposed to be only about nature. Anton (talk) 21:36, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
Serious? I didn't know that, that haikus are supposed to be about nature. Nice. Thanks. And you were right on the voting page for James Bevel's face in a cloud, and I moved all the bottom added stuff to a subpage and funnied it up a bit more (and will continue to work on it). The other stuff added works in a strange way, as I describe on the nom page. Thanks for keeping the thing moving. Aleister 9-11
You are welcome! Nice polishing! Anton (talk) 18:38, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
Love you man. Thanks for the push. I'll keep working on it. Aleister minutes later
Haikus aren't meant to be strictly about nature...though in classical haikus they very frequently used references to nature and almost always had one word which evoked what season it was...and there are often moon words and flowers. But nature references aren't mandatory...and even if there is a nature's often a metaphore for something else...or a way to evoke an emotion rather than say anything about nature. The haikus of the 20th and 21st century more deal with anything but nature these days...or if so only in the most indirect way. And the 5-7-5 rule is rarely respected any more. It has more to do with leaving the feeling of something, evoking something, leaving the reader with anything...anything that isn't clear cut, concrete or a judgement. This is why I think the following haiku is relevant:
Aleister and green grass
a broken type writer
Winter spirited moon poop.
--ShabiDOO 17:05, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
1). I was talking about classical haikus. 2). 5-7-5 should be respected in Japanese but not in other languages, as it simply won't work like this, because if different rythm of languages. 3). Your haiku is great. Anton (talk) 18:55, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

User Freak the mighty

I was surprised to see an edit from you with Summary "Revert Freak the mighty again". But before investigating the history, a post-edit from him deleted a section and added garbage. Assuming this is an emotional overreaction, I have banned him for two days. I will depend on you for clarification if I am the one overreacting. Spıke Ѧ 23:38 9-Nov-13

I looked at the episode he added and thought that it was not ready for main space. Then I saw that you have reverted him twice before (and explained why) and so I added such a change summary. Come to think of it, I did not know he would react in such a way but I should have still been helpful. Anton (talk) 17:38, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I was not asking you to prevent his outburst! simply to clarify if I was wrong to think it was an outburst; it seems it was indeed an outburst. Spıke Ѧ 01:58 11-Nov-13

Bon Soir!

How are you? We need to think of an idea to collaborate an article upon, any thoughts? Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 17:13, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Germany? I am fine, thanks. Come to think of it, Napoleonic Wars are still unfinished. Maybe after a month of polishing it can be renominated. Anton (talk) 11:27, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
I've done all I can to it. I've polished it so much I can see right through my face and into my soul. I think it is all funny now. Anyway not enough people are voting currently. We could do with some more VFH voters (hint, hint). Thanks. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 17:40, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
Then I need to polish my part and to visit VFH. Anton (talk) 17:42, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
Germany is a good idea for an article. We need to make it as original as possible and try to factor out all Nazi themes. We could even go one step further and deliberately, subtly ignore WW2 and Nazism by never mentioning it and leaving an obvious gap in the German history section. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 17:48, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
I haven't thought of this! Great! I don't know when I can begin working, but when I do, I certainly will. Anton (talk) 17:49, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
I mean let's make that a main theme of the article. In politics and culture we can mention Marxism, Socialism, Green Party and all the things German is known for but deliberately miss out facism. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 17:55, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, sure. Anton (talk) 18:11, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
Wait! an Uncyclopedia article that doesn't clutch onto the Hitler/Nazi memes for its principal support? There must be some sort of rule against this.... Spıke Ѧ 18:20 25-Nov-13
Hitler and Nazis cannot support anyone but themselves. They are hypocritical and selfish. Those who use them as a support lie to themselves. Anton (talk) 19:16, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

You deserve this young man

Red Ninjastar

The dream will always stay alive!

You deserve a ninja star for your mock-ups of pee-review-lite, work on the unsignpost, tweaking the introductory pages, qvfd and other administrative stuff and things. And for your passion of keeping the wiki a pleasant place to spend our free time. And because your cologne smells better than Aleister's five week old hippy body odour. So here it is. A ninja star. It should make you feel as wonderful as twenty ecstacy pills at an amusement park. --ShabiDOO 17:41, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Congrats Anton! Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 17:51, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
I don't take ecstasy, only soma. But ninja stars are better. Thank you! Anton (talk) 11:29, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

A real header which is no better than the header below but is as annoying

Something really annoying

I just realised that the template that you used as a base for the newer review template has the __NOEDITSECTION__ __NOTOC__ stuff embedded in it. That was done because I was intending to use the headers as anchors, but that shouldn't impact for a PEE review as that would be the only header on the page. I've just realised if we paste this onto talk pages that will bugger that up.

I've created {{H2a}} as a solution. If we replace the headers in there with this template, you should be able to remove those offending magic words.

It looks like a genuine header though, doesn't it?                               Puppy's talk page10:26 am 26 Nov 2013

Yeah, I could not figure out how you omitted only one edit section button. I thought you changed the wiki-system or something. Anton (talk) 19:19, November 27, 2013 (UTC)
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