Talk:Mortal Sin

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Well, it really is a pity that I didn't book to review this in time. I also happen to be working on a article that allowed me to research into an area vaguely related to this, and no, I'm not going to whore it, but you'll probably be seeing it shortly. Anyway, just want to remark that the resemblance of the Vatican church to the mafia is uncanny, and even more so historically. Remember the good old days when the Vatican Church actually assassinated people, and power struggles involving various underhanded methods were not uncommon among the clergy vying for Papacy, the most notorious being Boniface VII. They were famed for their corruption, and you may also have heard of the Borgias who were most Mafia-like in their means and methods. Cesare Borgia, illegitimate son of Pope Alexander VI, himself was a cardinal, until he gave that up in favour of more direct plundering and pillaging. Anyway, great article. ~Scriptsiggy.JPG Telephonesig Star Starsig Kidneysig 04:02, Mar 3, 2010

Hi HH. Thanks, appreciated, and feel free to leave any criticism or suggestions for changing the piece. I'll look forward to your page, and we can link them in heaven's storage room. The Holy Roman Empire has never left, according to most "experts", but lives in the tag-team of the Church and the Guys. Hand in hand thoughout mid-to recent history. Much I know, but you've educated me here, and I'll have to research Boniface. Possibly the clearest entertainment coverage of this was Godfather III, a film the critics and press chopped off at the knees, ifyaknowwhatImean, before it had a chance to become popular. Have you seen it? Moar research, thank for the history. ~  Aleister   AIClogo 13:28 3.3.mmx
P.S. I added in "Godfadda III", in the last q and a, thanks for shaking loose my memory of it by discussing the topic here.

Recommended Reading (doesn't that remind you of college?)

Well, I'm ashamed to say that I've never seen it, so I don't know what to say about that... Anyway, here are some more badass popes that you might wanna check out:

  • Assassinated Pontiffs - I haven't checked out all of them, but most of them would probably be worth reading about.
  • wikipedia:Antipope Boniface VII - He tried for Papacy 3 times, and possibly killed 2 popes. (And was called "antipope", how cool is that?)
  • wikipedia:Pope Alexander VI - Known for his nepotism and looking out for the "family".
  • wikipedia:Pope Julius II - Lead his own armies, and a brilliant schemer and manipulator of people. Even wikipedia thinks he bribed his way to popehood, among other things.
  • wikipedia:Pope Leo X - Sold "indulgences" to finance the building of St. Peter's Basilica. "Indulgences" are literally signed papers that the church sell to laypeople that will forgive them of all their sins. Selling "indulgences" was a practice that started well before Leo X, though. It was the selling of these things that prompted Martin Luther to do his "protesting", and beginnings of the Protestant Reformation. ~Scriptsiggy.JPG Telephonesig Star Starsig Kidneysig 15:32, Mar 3, 2010

Thank you, just happened to log on again, and saw your note. This looks like a treasure trove of data, and perfect for this talk page. "Godfather III" is a good movie for this interest area, you may enjoy it. Very interested to see what your article is about. I'm not going to write much here, as this could end up to be a storehouse of data for others, will get back to you on our talk page later today. Until then, Al 16:04 same day

Don't expect too much from my article because it might be crap. It's just vaguely (very vaguely) related to Renaissance politics (which is vaguely related to popes). ~Scriptsiggy.JPG Telephonesig Star Starsig Kidneysig 16:09, Mar 3, 2010

A brief expression of my opinion

Read it a second time, and agreed with most of the things BF said. The first time I read it I couldn't tell that the beginning was supposed to be an introduction for Fadda Murphy, so it's a bit weak, and you might wanna do something about that. Also, if it weren't for this conversation here, I wouldn't have gotten the Godfather III reference. But the main thing I felt the first and second time reading it was that it wasn't hard-hitting enough (you know, for something that's actually happening in real life). Which was partially why I submitted all those data. Use them however you like, but it would be cool if you mentioned Martin Luther ruining the business or certain popes getting "whacked". ~Scriptsiggy.JPG Telephonesig Star Starsig Kidneysig 11:38, Mar 4, 2010

Thanks, very helpful. I like the language you use, "ruining the business" and "getting whacked". Maybe all of this can come from another question on the page from someone asking about the whacked Popes, and I can work the Godfadda III reference in there. That's what's bad, ah, good about pee reviews and other users critiques, they expose more work to be done. Thanks again, ~  Aleister   AIClogo 14:21 4.3.2MX
I think the intro needed to explain why this speaker is known as 'Fadda John Murphy'. The intro should really say Father Murphy from ROme ..and then when Murphy starts, he refers to himself as Fadda Murphy and the rest of the article then follows. Saying all this,I am not sure I can vote for as I personally think your idea is good but as Fadda Murphy sounds to me more like Tony Soprano, perhaps a link there could have been made. Otherwise it all likes a bit like Oirish to me without explanation. -- Laurels RomArtus*Imperator ® (Orate) 01:39, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

This sentence

I read to about here "So Mortal sin, another slick or maybe da same guy dat designed da long-term louie......" and got really confused trying to make sense out of it.-- DRStrangesig5   Sherman   Fingertalk   14:22, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, give me a few minutes. I actually made up the term "long term louie" to describe the entire length of a scam. The overall plan. Will see what I can do to give the fadda some clarity. In the meantime, what's your take on "Godfather III" and the overall mafia connection with the Catholic church, you seem to have a wide knowledge base and if you have any references to add to this talk page it would help. Wanted to make it at least a tiny depository of the data. Thanks, Al, a few minutes later.
Much better! I'll finish reading in a bit.-- DRStrangesig5   Sherman   Fingertalk   15:31, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Pic of the Fadda

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Nigger Talk

I find the Nigger Talk really funny, yo' bitchez! --Handy Smurf 14:39, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

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