Talk:Glenn Beck

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edit 1st Pee Review

Dare Devil 13:33, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Humour: 5 First of all, I love the way you approached this article. This type of article (one written in the style of its subject) is used pretty often, and not always to great results. But you definitely pulled it off pretty well. Nice job capturing Glenn Beck's signature tone; I can vividly picture him reciting this monologue and staring psychotically at the camera.

That being said, I feel like there were a dearth of real laugh-out-loud moments in this article. Some of the jokes didn't really make any sense in the context of the article. In particular, the bit about Federalists and wigs, and the thing about condoms felt out of place. I do like how you bounced around haphazardly from subject to subject, but it doesn't seem cohesive enough. For example, when you talk about the sweatshops, it doesn't make sense to say tenements (I assume that's what you meant by tenants) were "cramped and smelly", then follow it up by saying that they "had little, if any downside". Instead, I suggest you continue raving about how sweatshops contributed to the glory of capitalism, like you did with the slavery section below. Lastly, I feel that since the article is entitled "Glenn Beck", more of the content should be about Glenn Beck himself.

Concept: 7 Like I said above, I love the concept. The idea is great; it's the execution that needs a little work. The way the article rambles about everything from wild conspiracy theories to bizarre historical reimaginings really reflects the weird style of Beck's show. All in all, this is a nice satirical piece.
Prose and formatting: 5 This is definitely the weakest aspect of the article. The formatting is pretty good, but you might want to switch around the images so the text isn't so scattered. However, the writing needs a lot of work. I spotted a lot of typos (I'll get around to fixing them). Also, you misused a few words, and your ideas generally don't flow. Don't worry, though, this can be easily fixed with some proofreading and editing. I plan on doing a lot of work on this article if that's ok.
Images: 8 While the images could use a little variety, the nonsensical rambling on Beck's chalkboard was the highlight of the article for me. And the captions were great, and a few of them made me chuckle. The images also complemented the text well; I like how you kept drawing the reader's attention to the chalkboard. Good job.
Miscellaneous: 6 Overall opinion.
Final Score: 31 It's good start, with a very solid concept; just needs a lot of editing. Solid effort for a first article.
Reviewer: -- Phlegm Leoispotter * (garble! jank!) 00:43, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Symbol comment vote Comment. The images and the text are looking just fine to me. I'm using Mozilla Firefox by the way. Sir SockySexy girls Mermaid with dolphin Tired Marilyn Monroe (talk) (stalk)Magnemite Icons-flag-be GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 00:45, 6 November 2010
Alrighty, I'll jack it up a point.-- Phlegm Leoispotter * (garble! jank!) 00:48, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

edit 2nd Pee Review

Dare Devil 14:22, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

I've started on this after an author request and will hopefully finish at some point today. In the meantime, why not have a go at reviewing someone else's article in return. --Black Flamingo 09:20, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
Humour: 7 I should probably begin by saying that I before reading this I had absolutely no idea who Glenn Beck is. The name rung a bell, but I don't recognise him from any of his pictures. This is probably going to be both beneficial and detrimental to the review, because on one hand I can give you an "outsider's" perspective but on the other hand it's likely there are a few things here I'm simply missing.

The article is actually pretty good, there are some really funny things in here, and I'm confident that someone who actually knows who Beck is will find it even funnier than I did. I'm just going to take you through a few of the jokes I don't feel worked, which there are a few of, though nothing too serious.

Ok, so the article opens with: "This is a rush transcript from “Glenn Beck”. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated". I'll be honest, I wasn't sure what to make of this. I assume it's some kind of parody of something Glenn Beck does. If it is, then fair enough, I don't really have much to say on it other than people who don't know Glenn Beck aren't going to get it. On the off-chance that it's actually a note from the author (ie. yourself) to indicate that the article is unfinished then I'd get rid of it. We do have work-in-progress templates of our own, but I wouldn't say this was anywhere near bad enough to warrant one.

While your intro is well written and humorous, I don't think it does a very good job of establishing the central concept. You start off on an overlong tirade about Beck's schooldays, with references to him being poor and an alcoholic. It's the kind of introduction you'd expect to find in a life story rather than a political rant, such as this. Once you finally make the very noticeable jump to his politics, the core of the article, it leaves the first few paragraphs feeling a bit directionless and lacking flow. I think you have two options here; you can either cut the schooldays part down and get into the patriotism speech more quickly, establishing this as your concept right from the start - or alternatively - introduce yet another intro where you establish the show format (because he's a TV host, right?), saying something like "hi I'm Glenn Beck, welcome to my show. Tonight we're looking at (insert topic here)." The whole article is kind of set out like a TV show anyway, with Beck constantly drawing us over to visual aids (the blackboards), so it would probably help to establish this right at the start. The other good thing about it is that any little tangents, like the story about his youth, won't seem as disjointed, because by the time you get to this we'd already know the basic premise of the article, and would likely assume that our narrator is just giving us some background.

The first joke that really jarred for me was the condom one. I didn't really get it, and I also suspect it's a bit nonsensical. Condoms aren't actually made of paper, and even if they were, why the hell would Beck love them so much? I appreciate that you're using the classic "rule of three" technique where you say a silly third thing, but I think condoms is a bit of a stretch. Try something a bit more attuned to the character, like "tissues, the Bible and a tissue with Bible passages written on it."

Another joke that I kind of stumbled over is the one about his favourite food being a vegetable. I guess you're implying that he's dumb, although I wasn't sure, I also considered that maybe Beck himself was trying to make a joke. If he is trying to make a joke, make it clearer. If he is just being stupid, I would recommend rewording the joke slightly. Just sticking a one-word punchline on the end of a sentence doesn't tend to be very funny in written humour, try to keep the jokes prose-based, making them flow is important. Something like "as a kid I loved vegetables, especially ketchup" for example. This way the twist is less obvious. Have a think about what you could do along these lines.

A common joke I've noticed in pieces with right-wing American narrators is the blending/listing together of all the typical "enemies of the free world", or whatever you want to call them, usually with one silly one thrown in for good measure. You do this when you say "communists/Marxists/socialists/communists/Muslims/Idiots/Nazis". Like I say, it has been done a lot, so you might want to try something else. Repeating the same one several times is also tends to be a staple of such jokes, as you do here too. To be honest, I think this would work a lot better if you shortened it and tried to be a little less broad. Maybe try something like "commie Muslims", or even use the old strikethrough technique and say "communists Muslims". For one this will be much terser, and won't look as scruffy as the big list you have, and secondly it will really help to emphasise Beck's ignorance by suggesting he really doesn't see any difference between them and just considers them all foreign enemies.

Another small and nitpicky point; the "lol" doesn't work. It's totally out of character. I mean, I don't actually know anything about Glenn Beck but it certainly isn't consistent with the tone you've created here. I'd just get rid of it.

Concept: 7 As someone who has never heard of Glenn Beck I did find this a little confusing. I mean, I got enough to figure out his general character (American, right-wing, possible TV host of some kind), but I couldn't really figure out exactly what he was famous for. Perhaps you could try to establish within his monologue what it is he does, preferably at the start. My earlier idea to start it like a TV show would help with this, although I still think it would be nice to hear a little bit more about the man himself, and not just for those who've never heard of him.

While it isn't vital, it makes sense to have more content on the character of Glenn Beck because this is supposed to be the article on him. Sometimes just writing in his style isn't enough, it'd be nice if the reader could learn a little about his career, maybe even his personal life - just anything notable about him really. Take a look at these articles for instance, see how they employ the style of their subject but also get to grips with who they are as people. Not to put too fine a point on this however, I appreciate the whole rant thing you're doing here, and wouldn't expect you to make grand structural changes to what you've already got.

Prose and formatting: 6 At times your prose are excellent. But let's not talk about that, let's talk about when they’re not-so-great. First of all there's this line; "Thank you for spending an hour of your life watching my time". Watching my time? Do you mean "watching my show", or something? I expect you simply hadn't noticed that one, so will leave it with you to fix accordingly. There's another little typing error like this actually; "We alcoholics better things to spend our money on" - you missed the word "have", is all.

Then there was a section of the article I didn't really understand due to the unclear way it was written. It's the part where Beck debunks the myths in the history books, and you list a few of these (Workplace injuries, living conditions, wages). I couldn’t figure out what you were trying to do here. Are these the myths you're listing, or the truths? And what do you mean by; "living in a tenement would be like being on vacation forever. Tenements were smelly and cramped in the same way hotels have been"? This really needs to be explained better because I still have no idea what you're on about. In fact, I think this whole part of the article needs a bit of work, you need to go into a lot more depth about what Beck is actually saying. Perhaps establish the myth first of all and then talk about the "truth".

Ok, so now for your ending; "since Obamacare will kill put my grandmother in front of the death panel, at least the insurance companies will step up to the plate and sacrifice their profits by saving my grandmother. But wait, Obamacare outlawed private insurance. My grandmother is screwed! Her life will be shorter by just two weeks! Gold! Help me! Save her!" This was all a bit messy in my opinion, and was a fairly weak ending to an otherwise good bit of writing. First of all, you say both "put" and "kill" in front of a death panel, but you should only really say one. Which is it? I think put would work better, that way he's not actually saying they'll kill his grandmother (not yet, anyway), but he's implying it. Then it jumps quite abruptly to a new subject, where you start talking about the insurance companies. This should really be a new sentence, as it's hard to follow and you don't link it very tidily. In fact, you could probably tidy all of this up quite nicely by just getting rid of the opening and starting with from "at least the insurance companies". It will definitely be a lot less confusing that way. And you should also probably end on "my grandmother is screwed!" because the shouting at the end was a bit over the top and unconvincing. Too often these rant articles simply end with the narrator exploding (not that you go quite as far as that, in fact you've kept this nicely low-key in most places - just don't lose it at the end).

Images: 8 I have very little criticism for your images, although they're all basically the same, I really liked what you've done with them. The blackboard diagrams are increasingly nonsensical and really build well to reveal the absurdities in this kind of thinking. The only problem, and it is a minor one at that, is that some of your captions aren't quite as strong. The first one, for instance, might work a little better if you had something more introductory that will ease the reader in to the world of Glenn Beck. Then the Hawaii one didn't actually have a caption at all, which again isn't a huge detractor, but surely you can think of something. Then just the last one seemed a bit silly. I think it was the idea of bribing God with apple pie just seemed a bit too "out there" compared to the rest of the article. Perhaps a smug comment from Beck, thinking he's proved his point, would be better here.
Miscellaneous: 7 My gut feeling.
Final Score: 35 So to sum up; a pretty good article that could very easily become very good if you iron out some of the minor problems I discuss. A future feature? I don’t see why not. Key things to keep in mind when revising are my comments on the overly-disjointed intro and the weakness of the conclusion. Also, have a think about what else you can do to help those readers who haven't heard of Beck. If there's anything I've said here that you want me to explain better, or if you want my opinion on anything I might have missed, please let me know and I'll try to help. I hope the review is ok.
Reviewer: --Black Flamingo 15:24, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

edit FOX Show

Died yesterday. This article is irrelevant.--Union of Soviet Socialist Republics 16:04, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Do things whose subject has died a day ago automatically become irrelevant? Hmm, sounds like Wikipedia has a lot of articles to delete. Sir SockySexy girls Mermaid with dolphin Tired Marilyn Monroe (talk) (stalk)Magnemite Icons-flag-be GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 16:18, 1 July 2011
No, Beck didn't die; his FOX News show did. This article is heavily based on the FOX show that died last Thursday night. That's why I said the article was irrelevant. In fact, I even heard something about Beck auctioning off his boards and miscellaneous props for charity.--Union of Soviet Socialist Republics 18:30, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
Silly Rabbit, Kix is for Kids! Er ah actually the same argument was made when Hillary Clinton lost the Democratic Presidential bid in 2008 to Obama. Someone claimed she was therefore irrelevant as her political career was over, only to learn later she got to become secretary of state and might have another run after Obama's two terms are over. :) Well Glenn still has his radio like like Rush has, and this is all history of Beck and his failed CNN Headline News Fox Show. So we still have more material(s) to cover for him. Anyone want to rewrite the article, go right ahead. I think the article here plus the "Did Glenn Beck murder and rape a girl in 1997" killed his career, that is if I ignore the main factor of Glenn Beck himself and his insane ramblings that scared off his sponsors and advertisers. Well he still has his books to live on like "The Christmas Sweater" and "Mine Struggle against the Unholy Godless Commie Liberals!" :) Besides this news article says he quit and is offering a pay for buffet of Glenn Beck on the Internet in an all you can eat and puke for $10 deal. I really had hoped that Beck would partner up with Alan Colmes and become "Beck and Colmes" so at least we can see the end of the show when Colmes scores a TKO on Beck like he did to Hannity. --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 08:04, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
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