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What makes a good 'UnNews' story? I am sure we all have our own preferences and styles. Mine is to find something that is currently topical in the news (whether it is in the writer's home country or elsewhere) and try to parody it, or at least the reporting of that story. One of my inspirations is the UK published magazine Private Eye, though I know others like the Daily Mash approach. When it comes to stories from blogs or other websites, it depends in my mind whether that news would be of interest to just those who visit those places or will have a greater resonance outside. I don't mind UnNews stories that are surreal but I always think that is far harder to pull off, a bit like writing a nonsense news article. I wrote a story about Disney buying Buckingham palace and replacing the monarchy with Mickey and Minnie Mouse but I saw that a 'riff' off a story about the Queen running out of money and Britain turning to alternative source of entertainment - from the House of Windsor to the House with the Mice.

Anyway, I want to see what other contributors think and where we can improve the quality all round in that section of Uncyclopedia. In the past we have had an UnNews editor and currently that task is down to myself and Spike to at least keep an eye on the contributions.It has been the one area where any writer can see their story appear on the front page without going through the voting process as is seen with featured articles.--LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 09:35, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

What brings this up is Uncyclopedia:VFH/UnNews:Abby Martin ‘non-notable’ Wikipedia ban boosts notability‎, where author Funnybony writes an UnNews and immediately nominates it to run on the main page for the explicit purpose of taking sides in a "notability" feud on another website. This is not my speculation; it is hardly in doubt from reading the article, and the author sets out his strategy at VFH. Despite the irony of a finding of "non-notability" increasing an individual's notability, the explicit point of the article is wry commentary on the internal politics of another website.
UnNews:Style does a good job of setting out what an UnNews is. It can produce good results to break those rules, provided the author makes sure that the reader is as amused with the results as the writer is at his own defiance. UnNews is a hot spot, as any reader can see his work included in an automated list of new articles before anyone even has time to edit the headline — compensated for by the fact that, in two weeks, it will expire and no one will even look for it. I agree with Romartus that UnNews ought to key off the real news, as the UnNews reader is a fan of current events and will not want to read an UnNews about Bronies with no real-world implications. Nevertheless, we allow {{Original}}, and uniquely encourage Sources to point off-site to bring the reader up to speed. The issue in this UnNews is not whether the reader knows or should know what is being fought over at Wikipedia.
What UnNews, and our main page, is not, or should not be, is a trump card to enhance someone's political hand at some other website. Spıke Ѧ 11:43 17-Feb-14
I have read a few UnNews articles and have written even fewer however I agree with Romartus that the problem lies in preference not in any unhumourous nature. I don't mind absurd news articles but they need to be written well. I myself (alas only very occasionally do I read the Private Eye) took the approach that the Now Show (BBC Radio4 Comedy) takes and presented the news factually however parodied people's reactions to the news. Therefore my news articles have been two lines on what actually happened and one paragraph for each political/social view of what happened and what it means (and what's to come).
I do agree with Spike, however, that there should not be UnNews articles advertising other people's work or views, especially if they are written to incite hate (here I admit I have not read Funnybony's article and so am speaking generally). I did think that the removal of Aleister's news on the Mars discovery wasn't valid based on the fact the site he found it on. It is news on that site (whether it was truth or fiction) and so Aleister can write a funny news story on it as long as he gives a source to prove it is not random and is actually news somewhere. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 12:54, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
Spike says that the UnNews style page does a good job describing what an UnNews is. What he doesn't say is that a few months ago he reverted that page back three years!!! During the start of those three years (look at the history notations) the emphasis was on getting rid of Spike's quote "facist" control that he'd placed on the page. Check the history: . Spike does so much good here, but the control thing, dude. Taking Funnybony's very good UnNews page and hiding it on his user space, the same as he did for my quite passable Mars article, gives the impression that bias is set in stone here, a stone that Spike carries around and plops on select heads at times. Funnybony's page had picked up several votes for VFH when Spike just decided to remove it because of politics. This site is bare bones, and Funnybony should be encouraged to write more UnNews, of his choice, instead of chasing him totally to the other site which is what has occurred with Spike-feuds in the past and which I don't think Spike would mind at all. Spike is also honored here, and is an amazing writer, editor, and admin, but there are other admins who maybe should exert a little more check-and-balance on his blindspots (example: He removed Funnybony's page because it had "an agenda". This is a satire site - political satirists have agendas!!! That's what the term means. So, blindspot.) Aleister 13:23 17-2-14
As for being real world news, since I've been here UnNews is a place where you can also write fiction news stories, playing and creating the news. Most of my UnNews articles are fiction with little or no real-world news to back them up, will those now all be userspaced? If not, why not? Aleister 13:38 17-2-14
I don't mind fictional UnNews - that is the point. Or you can do a 'reverse' on the story. Like saying Obama admits that he was born in Kenya after all and that he started lying about his background 30 seconds after he was born. Regards the Wikipedia article, I wasn't sure if FB's article actually made sense unless you had been following Wikipedia's policy on notable or non-notable people and whether you thought that was funny or not. I wasn't sure which is why I left a note on the voting page. I welcome all views on this topic but I quite like ScottPat's definition which I think could be a starting point for a story. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 20:35, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
BTW. Can people lay off the personal attack stuff about other users? I didn't create this forum for another UnNews dramathon. Thanks. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 11:59, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
Gahhh! I hate IP He's so annoying. His work isn't funny, it's basically vandalism, he bans way too many people and he sings songs that get on my nerves. Last week he put my dog into my particle accelerator and broke the damned thing! Sir ScottPat (converse) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 12:22, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
The UnNews Style Guide has always taken pains to clarify that it is not a yardstick for discipline and each of its guidelines yields to any fine and deliberate writing. Its conversion three years ago was clearly less about quality than erasing my influence after I resigned as UnNews Chief. I did not rush to restore it when I was opped, but when a new user asked me for help writing an UnNews, we again needed a page that delivered guidance and not just wisecracks.
Regarding the UnNews in question here, no one claims it violated the Style Guide, and no one says the fault was lack of notability. UnNews routinely deals with national politics guaranteed not to be notable to half the audience, and has a unique mandate to include external Sources to bring the reader up to speed. Nor was the problem that the author has a point of view, as we all do. The problem was in the attempted use of UnNews and the Uncyclopedia main page to support the author's own position in a debate offsite — for example, to point to it on Wikipedia as evidence that EveryoneOnTheWeb is talking about their Admins' poor decision. Compare an UnNews about specific candidates (and even these ought to throw a sop to readers of all parties, as my UnNews:Romney/Ryan to re-institute Negro slavery did) to an UnNews that electioneers, or appears to. Spıke Ѧ 13:21 18-Feb-14
Oh forget about that! What about the IPs. Kill them all!!!! Sir ScottPat (converse) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 14:00, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
The "guide to style" was a comendable effort but it was agressively rejected by the community and for good reason. It was stifling, unecesarily limiting and there is no reason to have one in the first place. If a user asks what kind of style they should use with a news article...the answer need only be: well written, funny and at least somehow news-like. This new policy (that news articles shouldn't refer to outside sources or websites or have alterior motives) that SPIKE has come up with appeared out of thin air and has no precident. If a user or editor wants a new policy or to become the chief news editor or to radically reinterperate policy..he should bring it up with the community and work it out on a forum. --ShabiDOO 17:52, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
I haven't read the Style Guide but I agree with Shabidoo. Anton (talk) 19:39, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
I'd imagine the style guide says that that many turns and flips is impossible on the half-pipe...wait this isn't the winter olympics blog! Sir ScottPat (converse) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 20:42, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
The chinese are going to win the men's curling. --ShabiDOO 20:56, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
It's all about Scotland (you heard me, it can barely constitute as a British team). The only sport that the rest of the World bothers to play (and that's a dodgy statement) that we are good at.
To tell the truth it is hilarious to see the BBC big it up like some amazing sport as it's one of the three things Britain do well at. I also laugh at the fact that all the other countries have their "local curling clubs" as they do in Aberdeen. Next time they should just hold the Olympic curling between those one side of the Don River and those on the other side and they'd get International standard play. Sir ScottPat (converse) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 21:05, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
How can dogs can get into particle accelerators?! I know cats can, because cats can anything but dogs... Anton (talk) 17:58, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
Put that question to my IP neighbour. The entrance to the accelerator (where I usually feed in the bits of chicken meat) happens to be very near (if not) his feeding bowl. Sir ScottPat (converse) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 19:10, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
I think we can all agree that an UnNews article should be 'well written, funny and at least news-like'. I think a guide is a good idea for writers to look at whilst constructing a story. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 21:14, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
So my Life on Mars UnNews can come back? And remember that wonderful tv series "Life on Mars", I watched that religiously (and bowed down to it on the Sabbath) Aleister 22:49 18-2-14
That's one for Keith Richards in 1967.--LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 23:40, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
If it was along the lines of "tips on how to write news articles" or "a personal guide to good writing" (as funnybony has done) then I agree with you completely Romartus. --ShabiDOO 23:57, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
I know the chances of anyone sticking to a 'house style'on Unc is akin to herding cats for profit. I know, I have tried it - herding cats that is. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 10:58, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
Maybe a herd of cats will win Gold in curling! --ShabiDOO 17:45, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
Talking of the Winter Olympics, an UnNews is required. I thought on the lines of introducing other snow sports that others can do. Like Snowball throwing, putting the carrot on the snowman's nose. Snow Plough racing. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 18:12, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
Hey Romartus. We've never ever colaborated. Shall we make a snowball fight unnews? --ShabiDOO 18:24, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
I will do something later as we need a new UnNews to refresh the front page. I will start it but you are welcome to add your ideas too. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 18:03, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

A good UnNews Story

....what I wrote: UnNews:"Administrative_Error"_leads_to_full_scale_invasion_of_Tie_Rack -- Sir Mhaille Icons-flag-gb (talk to me)

Nice. Do you have a source or is it original research? Sir ScottPat (converse) White Ensign Scotland Flag 1 Compassrose VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 18:41, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
Had a few sleeps since that article but I'm guessing it didn't have a specific source, rather it was social commentary of that time... -- Sir Mhaille Icons-flag-gb (talk to me)
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