Forum:Thread for those who aren't actually fussed
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This thread is for those who, in the matter of the purchase of uncyclopedia.org by Wikia, aren't really upset or fussed by it and don't really see how anything will change because of it. I'm putting this here because mostly we're hearing from those who are upset - and though I certainly don't mean to invalidate their upset, I thought it worth pointing out some of us are fine with it and willing to see how it works out.
(Everyone involved is a decent person and non-dick, and Jimbo and Wikia have a strong business interest in not pissing off people or communities. And if everything does go south, we can get up and leave. But it would be unfortunate to have a split that wasn't actually actively necessary. Etc.) - David Gerard 09:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not fussed at all. In fact, I see good things happening for Uncyclopedia. A guy who sets up a free encyclopedia for all the world to use doesn't strike me as a particulary "evil" man. And Angela? Well, she's just a doll, isn't she? --⇔ 09:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- I respect the dedication that the community has for this wiki and, just to lay this out there, I am generally not real trusting of corporations (I even threw a pie at the WTO once), but Wikia doesn't strike me as a kingdom of evil hellbent on destoying our wiki. I'd like to give 'em a chance, at least. -- Imrealized 15:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Wikia has been hosting us all along. It was just a minor domain change, stop whining people! Nothing changed...we were always part of Wikia. Hey, if you look in that thread, even Jimbo Wales himself tried to calm us down, that says something. They care about Uncyclopedia. Which is kind of weird, because most of us are anti-Wikipedia (well, I am.) -- SonicChao Babbel!Contribs 16:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see why anyone should be against Wikipedia, it's not like they're attempting to invade our niche or posting crap. -- 20:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Not really fussed
- David Gerard 09:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- ⇔ 09:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- as long as it stays the same, does it matter?--Sir Silent Penguin 09:52, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- I just came for the free toaster. -- Imrealized 15:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Free toaster sounds good to me, im still waiting for the location free toaster to come out, wireless toasting will be great--Sir Silent Penguin 17:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- ---Asteroid B612 (aka Rataube) - Ñ 17:54, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Meh FreeMorpheme 21:14, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Apathy. -- 07:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- It is my sincere intent to contradict myself as much as possible. --KATIE!! 09:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Wha-evaaa -- Sir Codeine K·H·P·B·M·N·C·U·Bu. · (Harangue) 11:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- ... -- m...
- Meh, pffft, whoop-dee-freaking-doo, and general blargh-ness --
- -- SonicChao Babbel!Contribs 16:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Reserved but not fussed. —rc (t) 16:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- As long as it follows the well-established NIMBY protocols, I'm not worried about the acquisition. --The King In Yellow (Talk to the Dalek.) 16:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Never too worried. -- The Colonel (talk) 13:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm with RC, only less reserved. ;p-- 15:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- As long as I can still wax barbaric, who cares? --Mindsunwound: (F@H) Heterocidal Tendencies Vacuum 17:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Nothing's gone too wrong yet... The only prob from them was the changes to the search. At first it included wikicites, and now it resembles google rather than WP. Until I see anything go seriously wrong... --User:Nintendorulez 14:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- Until I'm unsysoped for lack of activity then your all bastards.--The Right Honourable Maj Sir Elvis UmP KUN FIC MDA VFH Bur. CM and bars UGM F@H (Petition) 14:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- SEX— 02:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
- Wait, what? ...eh, whatever. --Zyrac 21:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
- I, for one, welcome our new Wikia overlords... --DW III 00:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- Sir Sikon [formerly known as Guest] 18:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- I just got here and never knew what the old way was like. I was born into not-fussed-itude. Superbo 22:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Too high on kitten right now to care, ask me lat-I like, love you, dude.--SN W | T 06:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- As long as the corporation pays on a bi-weekly schedule I am not fussed at all. We are going to get paid for writing articles now, right? RIGHT?----OEJ 03:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- Didn't know "fuss" could be a verb, therefore I'm in this category by default. --Spin 04:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- Meh -- 20:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Not Fussed due to ability to spork back to non-corporate website if things go badly
- 02:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- Throwbacks plz. --Moogle.EXE 03:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Not in the least bit fussed.
Well that is because I am already bat-fuck insane, stressed out by life, killed myself in Nov 2004 over it, came back from the dead, got even more insane (Tom Cruise has nothing on me, I'm OTXI and I'm not even a Scientologist, I have both Christ-like and Loki-like complexes and basically I am beyond getting fussed.) Anyway uncyclopedia.org is just a domain name, it don't matter who owns it as long as the bills get paid and it points to the Uncyclopedia wiki content. I strongly suggest that the real people who own the real Uncyclopedia wiki content register the following domain names: ungoogle.com wildepedia.org ihumor.com and then use a DNS parking service to park them to the same IP as uncyclopedia.org and use them for those Uncyclopedia change the name of Uncyclopedia days and have uncyclopedia.org/main/ redirect to ungoogle.com/main/ or ihumor.com or wildepedia.org on those days when you are pretending that Uncyclopedia is something else. Then you won't get squatters trying to take them, and you won't get Wikia, etc taking ownership of them. Yet you will be able to own your own domain names, but let Wikia fuss over the other people using Uncyclopedia names when and if people and organizations come after the owner of Uncyclopedia.org because they claim to have written a book using the word Uncyclopedia in the title, etc. As a bonus, maybe Google can knock down the page ranks of uncyclopedia.org but can they also knock down the pageranks of ungoogle.com, ihumor.com, and wildepedia.org which point to the same content? I suspect they might not notice, and we can submit Uncyclopedia articles via the other domain names, and possibly get around that Google Fascist Pagerank droppings for no good reasons. --2nd_Lt Orion Blastar (talk) 04:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't redirect, mirror.
If a site which you propose to create will contain nothing other than a redirect to some page on Wikia, it serves no purpose. The search engines will ignore it - if they can't find one byte of actual content-free content on your new domain, they won't index you. The users will likely also ignore it, if they can even find it. To get page rank, we need plenty of inbound links to whichever domains we use and we need the domains to actually contain a copy of the content, not merely a pointer to content elsewhere.
Using DNS to point your domain names to an IP at Wikia is also doomed to fail - if every Wikia has the same IP, the domain name in the web request is the only way their server knows whether to return our non-content or just yet another of a thousand dead and abandoned wikia.
Agreed that we should be picking up domains to protect them from squatters. They're inexpensive and plentiful. We don't need to have them point to a "parking service". We already can host unlimited domains on the same server that hosts uncyclomedia.org, uncyclopedia.info et al (meta: pt: zh-tw: and various other Babble projects) without anyone having to give up ownership of their domain names. The dedicated server has its own self-contained nameserver. We could even start our own wiki farm if we needed to. All the software that runs this stuff is free. How many wikis (or forums, or galleries, or whatever other web content) can we fit onto a 250Gb dedicated server? It'd take many visitors to even slow a dedicated box down enough for us to need to consider a second dedicated box (and actually filling all that space is not likely to happen anytime soon). Taiwan's been adding pages like crazy, we've survived:
As for the books with "uncyclopedia" titles? It's great that they've been plentiful and pre-date this project; if Wikia were to sue to claim to own everything with the word "Uncyclopedia" in it they'd be laughed out of court. Pronto. Zipper™ and Aspirin™ were once trademarks, Wikipedia™ is presumably trademarked, Uncyclopedia no. That's good to know, just in case Wikia were considering spurious trademark litigation as a way to make trouble for us. We own the content as the authors, so attempting to control project names, domains and any identifying marks (such as logos) become the only, last-ditch means for them to wrest control of Uncyclopedia projects that we wrote away from us. That there are too many Uncyclopedias out there for there to be a trademark, any trademark, in the countries in which we operate is one less roadblock in our path.
Let's not forget something: Wikia is a web host, nothing more. That's it. We are the clients. This is our project, not theirs. Uncyclopedia was not created as a work for hire and Wikia is not our employer. In no way do they own the Uncyclopedia or its content. It belongs to the people who wrote it. Nothing stopping one, one hundred or one million copies of the project being mirrored and put online, just as long as the mirror sites comply with the original non-commercial CC-BY-NC-SA license or obtain permission from each of the individual authors. The odds of uncyclomedia.org complying with that non-commercial license are better than those of uncyclopedia.wikia.com (in original or in multilingual translation) doing so, if only because there simply are no ads and no investors.
Let's lose the "I'm just a poor helpless student and can do nothing" attitude. We're not all poor and we're not all helpless. And no, we're not all students for that matter. We have no shortage of computers, domain names or people who know more than a few things about computers. We are already running MediaWiki on external hosts for plenty of other Uncyclopedia projects without depending on Wikia. (14 of the 23 languages are currently Wikia-hosted, the rest are independent, part of some other community or are hiding on the uncyclomedia.org dedicated box in Canada, eh?). Dumping a complete 23-volume set of Uncyclopedias on a dedicated server with no blasted ads? We've already shown we have the ability to do that. So what. If we need to go that route, it's always there and ready.
So what's left? One specific domain name (uncyclopedia.org) and whatever external links point there. That's it. That's what has been lost.
Unfortunate that Chron allowed Wikia to pressure him into not raising the issue with the community until it was too late? You betcha.
Still, let's not let it prevent us from taking the project in the directions we want. That may mean more of the same, that may mean adding features like proper forums, maps, rating systems or countless other applications - if there's demand within the community and we find a use for them. They'll just need to be added under uncyclopaedia, uncyclomedia or some other domain. That isn't exactly uncyclopedia.org but is close enough for all purposes except that of using our existing external inbound links. Put enough actual non-content there and the new external inbound links will take care of themselves. --Carlb 18:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes we can use ihumor.com, wildepedia.org, and ungoogle.com to create original content on them, but have links to Uncyclopedia articles so it can help our page ranks. I am sure 250 gigs or whatever Wikia has for Uncyclopedia can be partitioned to some space for original content in its own Wiki that has the ability to link to uncyclopedia.org's wiki. Then we can create the iHumor type April Fools page on its own domain, the Wildepedia, the Ungoogle search engine with original creative content that links to Uncyclopedia.org, put pretends to be a parody of iTunes, Oscar Wilde's works, and a funny version of Google. Then at least the Uncommunity can own some domain names, even if it does not own uncyclopedia.org anyway. --2nd_Lt Orion Blastar (talk) 17:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Ideally, any domains we create would be non-Wikia (and located in a different range of IP addresses) if they're to appear as separate to the search engines. If every Wikia-hosted project has the same IP address (and they do), web spiders may simply presume them all to be the same site. --Carlb 21:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)