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Lately, I had noticed that there are some of the BEST articles getting completely deleted, such as the famous Malaysia article that puts Uncyclopedia on the spotlight, and a few others that deserve a good award. Some of those articles are worth preserving and maintaining, so why delete them? Who's going to restore the articles and maintain it to full health? (Though I do noticed that deleting is now the famous joke of Uncyc)

So I propose a couple of suggestions:

  1. Preserve the articles constantly vandalised through locking the articles
  2. Unlock articles that are not vandalised so that we can fix them (and them unlock them after seven days of it being unlocked)
  3. Restore huffed/deleted articles, give it a new coat of paint and heavy refurbishment
  4. Restore "BUTT POOP!!!!" and other articles of historic value

Now, back to the question, who the hell deleted Malaysia? That's like deleting Belgium! GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 11:34, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

They deleted Malaysia?! This is Porchesia all over again... -RAHB 11:44, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

It's time for (another) vote

It seems voting always works (until the admins rig it), so lets have a go at it:

Joe's Plan (+firemombing whoever deleted Malaysia)

Symbol for vote For. A (Ruins) 13:06, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol for vote Да. I find this efficient, along with the other included plans afterwards. --Gamma287 Tro-lo-no 069f11-1 MUN Icons-flag-us ☭Tetяis? 23:02, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Socky's Plan (Establishing an official procedure for restoring articles)

  • Symbol for vote For. Sir SockySexy girls Mermaid with dolphin Tired Marilyn Monroe (talk) (stalk)Magnemite Icons-flag-be GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 13:13, 3 September 2011
  • Symbol for vote Go For It.--FcukmanLOOS3R!!! 13:43, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol comment vote Oh For God's Sake - There is an official procedure; it's called getting the article restored to your userspace, whence you can then improve it to an acceptable standard and move it back to the mainspace. -- Prof. Olipro Icons-flag-gb KUN (W)Anchor Op Bur. (Harass) 16:11, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
    That's all very fine and all, but what about deletions that are considered unfair? Sir SockySexy girls Mermaid with dolphin Tired Marilyn Monroe (talk) (stalk)Magnemite Icons-flag-be GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 16:15, 3 September 2011
    That sounds more like a thinly veiled version of "I like this article but can't be bothered to actually add to/modify it and insist on it being in the mainspace" -- Prof. Olipro Icons-flag-gb KUN (W)Anchor Op Bur. (Harass) 16:38, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
    Some things are hard to add to, though. And whatever reasons for wanting it restored may be, if it was deleted unfairly, there should be a procedure for undoing said unfair deletion. Sir SockySexy girls Mermaid with dolphin Tired Marilyn Monroe (talk) (stalk)Magnemite Icons-flag-be GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 22:12, 3 September 2011
    And thus you have succinctly described why the article would be deleted in the first place -- Prof. Olipro Icons-flag-gb KUN (W)Anchor Op Bur. (Harass) 16:59, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
    Take it up with the admin who deleted the page on their talkpage. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 16:21, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
    If an article was deleted through say VFD, the admin deleting it is hardly the only person involved. And "taking it up with the admin" might not be the fairest and drama-free manner of conduct, and is hardly worthy of being called an official procedure. Sir SockySexy girls Mermaid with dolphin Tired Marilyn Monroe (talk) (stalk)Magnemite Icons-flag-be GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 22:19, 3 September 2011
    I'd tend to agree with this, if an admin has deleted an article they have already effectively made up their mind on the article, it doesn't actually follow that they would always be the best person to speak to with regards to the possibility of restoring it. In days gone by for the most part good faith was assumed, so if another admin restored an article there seemed to be a lot less of the standing on precious toes (although drama did on occasion raise its head over matters). -- Sir Mhaille Icons-flag-gb (talk to me)
    I don't want to take up sides on this whole article deletion thing, but Socky, do you realize that you're taking something Joe9320 said in a ridiculous forum, seriously? O_o -RAHB 21:14, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
    Uh, it's more that I'm hijacking his forum for my own agenda. I thought that was pretty obvious. Sir SockySexy girls Mermaid with dolphin Tired Marilyn Monroe (talk) (stalk)Magnemite Icons-flag-be GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 21:31, 3 September 2011
  • Against - Olipro has not just hit the nail on the head, he's caved in its skull. mAttlobster. (hello) 21:53, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
    He would've if I was solely talking about BUTT POOP!!!!, which I hadn't even mentioned yet. Sir SockySexy girls Mermaid with dolphin Tired Marilyn Monroe (talk) (stalk)Magnemite Icons-flag-be GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 22:23, 3 September 2011
I can't believe that I have to move all of the deleted good articles to my userspace, such as 2 Girls 1 Calculus Equation! GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 06:34, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol against vote Joe's 's better (It's all Socky's fault, really). A (Ruins) 22:10, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
Socky's commenting on my vote next. Noooo!!!!! A (Ruins) 22:25, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
I am? Well, wouldn't you know. That's all I have to say, though. Sir SockySexy girls Mermaid with dolphin Tired Marilyn Monroe (talk) (stalk)Magnemite Icons-flag-be GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 22:30, 3 September 2011
Well, half of the good old articles had been deleted. Preserve some history by a heavy edit may be a good idea, and also some reformatting. Reforms currently done by admins are not enough; let's restore the best articles that the admins deleted and help expand and repair these articles. GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 06:31, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol for vote For. Whatever this means. But so many good articles were sandblasted away that putting the good ones on a user page is just a waste of time -- jeez, "Two girls..." was deleated??? Did you know Paris Hilton (Person) is gone, and many others. Many of Maniac1075's pages were deleted. There must be hundreds of very good pages gone but not forgotten. Why?? Why?? *cries tearing hair out. Not his, fortunately.* Aleister 17:11 7-9-'11
  • Symbol for vote For. DJ Mixerr 02:37, September 8, 2011 (UTC) DJMIXERR (talk)(contributions)

Hyperbole Donald Westenchester's Plan (allowing votes for mainspacing on VFD)

It seems that if VFD has the power to delete something, VFD should have the power to undelete something. If a deleted article is restored to userspace, VFD should be permitted to vote on whether it is acceptable to mainspace it again. Simply vote "keep" for "mainspace" and "delete" for "leave that shit where it be." Tinymasaru.gifpillow talk 16:56, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

  • For my proposal I just made, right up there. Tinymasaru.gifpillow talk 16:56, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol for vote Sure. Beware of admins ganging up on people trying to do this, though. Sir SockySexy girls Mermaid with dolphin Tired Marilyn Monroe (talk) (stalk)Magnemite Icons-flag-be GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 17:04, 6 September 2011
  • Horace, you are back! Of course Symbol for vote For.. And many of the best pages were listed on the recent purge, so many of those should be automatically revived. Aleister 17:07 7-9-'11
  • Symbol for vote -Proceeds to revert all of TKF's edits- Woo-Hoo! A (Ruins) 17:31, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol for vote 4 Sure, 4 Kids. GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 08:42, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
  • For. There's no issue with undeletion and its easy enough to do. -- Sir Mhaille Icons-flag-gb (talk to me)
  • Symbol for vote For. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) Icons-flag-au 08:51, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol for vote For. Good idea though it shouldn't be on the same page as VFD. Maybe something like VFATWGBSJRTAKGAADTBNHGWCDAWPLSCASUWPOBT (Votes for articles that were good but some jerk ruined them and skullthumper got angry and deleted them but now he's gone we can do as we please like steal cookies and stay up wayyyyy past our bed time.) I understand and I wish to continue. HauntedUndies2. 12:48, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
  • Nice Note to Mention: right now there's a semi-official practice that we've been using to contest deletions in Forest Fire Week and Great Tag Purge, where the person brings their contest up to an admin, who subsequently puts it up on VFD to be voted on. Right now, the iron fer strikin' ain't quite hot no more, but if Malaysia is the most specific your concerns get, I'm willing to hear it out via this process. Also, Hype, that thing about mainspacing has been done before when a cautious user is about to replace an existing page with a rewrite, so I can also see us broadening the scope to userspaced deletions, too. There must be one addition, though: the nomination must be supplemented with a diff to the article in its original, deleted state to justify that enough work has been put into it since its deletion, merited or not. --Littleboyonly TKFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Oldmanonly 04:59, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
    Well, it is not just Malaysia. There are several others too. Maybe we'll make a list of what huffed articles people want to have it restored. GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 10:49, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
    Hypothetical situation. Let's say an IP writes something short but hilarious, like Dan Kwon. Let's say I laugh my ass off at it. And let's say Spang catches it on Recent Changes and just unilaterally huffs it with a note like "Nah." So I say "Spang, can I have that in my userspace," and he says "whatever, okay." Would you object to me taking Dan Kwon to VFD and asking for a community vote to mainspace it? Because the way I see it, no amount of work can improve that page. Tinymasaru.gifpillow talk 05:33, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
    If the original was funny enough, regardless of it being one line or not, I wouldn't see why not, but you'd get some sticklers probably running against you on that one way or another since it's a one-liner and all. It's just a big point that should be heavily considered in most cases, like in the rewrite category in the PLS. --Littleboyonly TKFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Oldmanonly 05:46, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
    Also what Romartus says about VFD, specifically, stands. VFD is the "last resort" for deletion, and a decision there should, under no circumstances, be overturned unless there's pretty clear evidence of an admin fucking up and deleting something with a -4 in 2 hours or something. --Littleboyonly TKFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Oldmanonly 16:46, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol against vote Against. This is like waving the garbage truck goodbye, only see it to reverse and dump everything back in the same place. Articles that go to VFD are normally there for a very good reason. If I am against navelism, then I am also against pointless nostalgia for rubbish as well. Fisher Price. --LaurelsRomArtus*Imperator ® (Orate) 07:08, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
    Go eat shit, fuckers. God Bless ya. GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 10:49, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
    I see it more like "Having a mechanism in place to get your diamond ring back if you happen to accidentally drop it in the garbage." Articles that go to VFD are normally there for a very good reason - normally being a fairly important qualifier here. Tinymasaru.gifpillow talk 19:19, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

We need to write an open letter to the admins

I recommend that we write an open letter regarding the classic, humorous, awesome articles being deleted. All I wanted is to have it restored so that we can try to fix the articles- and then lock it after seven days of editing. And we also want some articles to be unlocked because some of us sensible editors wanted to add something new, but the IPs keep destroying it. GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 08:21, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

How many articles do you want restored? -- Prof. Olipro Icons-flag-gb KUN (W)Anchor Op Bur. (Harass) 10:02, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
Proposes restoring Malaysia to Joe9320's userspace. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 21:57, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
Excellent proposal. How about I do that right now. --Littleboyonly TKFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Oldmanonly 04:56, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
No, propose restoring Malaysia to mainspace. I had already made a copy on my userspace. GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 10:41, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Not Happytimes?

Symbol neutral vote Abstain. I'm not here anymorish, so I'll keep my opinions to myselfish. But I too have noticed some of my (favorite?) 'watched' articles become red-linked..., so will someone please leave a note on my talkpage when this gets resolved... I think I want to tackle this as a formal process when I get back if I am not satisfied with the current process at that time. Thanks & stuff.  Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!* Happytimes.gif (talk) (stalk) Π   ~ Xkey280 ~  12 Sep 2011 ~ 06:41 (UTC)

Symbol neutral vote Abstain. Most of my best work got huffed when I was away for a long time and forest fire week happened. I guess you all voted my 2005/2006 contributions for huffing because they were too old and not relevant anymore. Some I worked on with others like American Liberals, but gone now. Burn baby burn, come on baby light my forest fire. Can we make an archive of old outdated articles instead of huffing them because they are old, out of date, and no longer relevant? I mean we got a lot of articles still bashing George W. Bush as President and asking that he get impeached, don't we? --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 07:28, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol neutral vote Abstain. No, maybe we had reached the point when the Gang of Four got arrested. And as for Orion Blastar, I don't get it why they deleted the articles. An alternative was to lock those pages so that IPs don't ruin it with "Obama is a terrorist" all over. And what's more, I am going to rehabilitate the Malaysia article since the photos were deleted anyway. Protect the pre-2008 articles, not delete them! And this is why, my friend, we shouldn't abuse Forest Fire Week. Yes, it may be old and outdated, but destroying articles is like demolishing the Berlin Wall. Or is it the Great Wall of China? GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 10:39, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol neutral vote Abstain. We lost a gigantic chunk in FFW. Tons of users just randomly clicked the FFW button for the sole purpose of getting more FFWs than other users. And we lost a gigantic amount of funny with it. Just because an article's small, dosen't mean it's not funny. Take Plushophilia. I was going to FFW it, then I read it, and I found it funny. So I rewrote it a bit. Users have to realize small can be funny too (take midgets as another example). While these hilarious masterpieces are being taken from us, we are keeping unfunny shit like Oscar Wilde. That joke has never made me laugh, all the Wilde quotes should be removed from articles. I'm not participating in the vote for many reasons, but i'm just saying we should restore a lot of these, because if Uncyclopedia keeps this up, we'll be turning into Wikipedia Jr. --Evildemon PLEB SIR Lollipop (TALK) - updated on 16 September 2011, at 23:46

Symbol neutral vote Abuse this template for fun and profits. FFW has been completely abused. So I second Lollipop's opinion. May we suggest that we change the FFW rules? GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 08:00, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

OK, here's a list

Here's a list of what articles we want it restored in the mainspace, then locked immediately afterwards. And also, we must have a locking and unlocking request procedure so that we can tell admins which articles we should lock and which ones we should unlock. Seriously, I cannot afford to go to mirror sites. GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 11:02, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'll start off with one of the following article I wanted restored and locked:

  • Malaysia (A classic; puts Uncyclopedia on the Internet Map)
  • Anonymous Anonymous (also a classic)
  • Mercedes-Benz (We need a serious clean-up and surgery, and perhaps put more funny stuff in)
  • UnNews:Team Rocket Captures Pikachu, Ash Commits Suicide (Needs a boob job, dick job, ass job, stomach job, heart bypass surgery, brain surgery, etc.)
  • I would like an ice cream please. Strawberry flavour if possible. --Chiefjustice3DS 11:20, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
Well, there's always the article in my userspace that I wrote about ice cream when I was craving one. Too bad it got VFD'd. However, strawberry wasn't on the list. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 16:52, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

I haven't actually read this thread

  • Unilaterally AGAINST anything Joe9320 suggests. Seriously. -OptyC Sucks! Icons-flag-us CUN21:11, 16 Sep
    I didn't read a word that Opty just said but I strongly second it. --Littleboyonly TKFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Oldmanonly 22:00, September 16, 2011 (UTC)
    I didn't read a word of what TKF just said, because I know anything TKF writes is total bullshit. A (Ruins) 01:50, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
    I read nothing any of you said, but I can tell that i'm cooler than all three of you combined. --Evildemon PLEB SIR Lollipop (TALK) - updated on 17 September 2011, at 02:00
    If you read nothing of what we said, than you actually don't know we are. I could be Zombiebaron for example, and than single-handedly whoop your ass for saying that. A (Ruins) 12:31, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
    I don't tolerate this. At all. GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 06:15, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Should we make a new rule for FFW?

Admin-hangs
Death to the abusers of Forest Fire Week!

I want this addendum to the FFW for all future FFW evens, which will say:

  1. Any and all abuses of the Forest Fire Week button for the sole purpose of getting more FFWs than others will be banned.
  2. THIS RULE WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED BY SYSOPS AND BUREAUCRATS WHEN THERE ARE AT LEAST 12 VOTES IN SUPPORT.
And unless you wanted to have your penis cut off and shoved up your ass, I recommend that you vote. GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 07:59, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

For

Score: 3
  1. Symbol for vote Nom and for, as we need to prevent abuse of FFW. GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 08:00, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Symbol for vote For., though nobody knows who I am anymore, I fully support utter destruction of Forest Fire Week and never have undestood this need to "purify" our wiki of "unclean articles" that do not meet some mystical standard. For God's sake, people, anyone can edit. Articles can and do get better when adopted. When you delete something, you're deleting possible chances at inspiration. Of course, I don't hang out anymore, so take my opinion for what it's worth (all of them combined add up to apprx. 15p on the black market, I understand).--<<Bradmonogram.png>> 11:55, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
I'll take Php 38000 of it. But of course we need to delete articles that are beyond redemption. 35% of articles deleted at FFW this year had a chance of redemption, but the rest don't. GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 04:38, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
Oh you ruined my scoring system. GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 11:03, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Against

Score: 0

Comment

Score: 0

That time the guys from Forest Fire Week destroyed Malaysia during my sojourn at Uncyclopedia

Dude, that was fucking unbelievable. Like, WTF?

So there I was, running a contest and surfing on the internet from Youtube Poop, right? Like, completely ape shit. And this fucking drug addict added Malaysia, an award-winning article in Uncyclopedia, and the admins promptly deleted it. And I was pissed off. No seriously, they fucking destroyed Malaysia.

GiratinaOriginForme |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Kemador CUN|IC Kill 800px-Flag of the Philippines svg | 04:44, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

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