Forum:Oh Dear... Rewrite?!

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Evileye trans

Not a very nice perspective.

To welcome users we generally use two templates: Welcome (in the majority of cases) and Oh Dear (for spammers, vanity-writers, etc.). Even though the users who get the Oh Dear are not considered to be very promising, they still deserve a better welcome.

The Oh Dear template was changing in the course of time and became less and less harsh. But this does not mean it still isn't! So how about a final rewrite?

You might want to look at what I myself did so far: [1], even though it is not a bulldozer but rather a plough rewrite. You are welcome to tell what you think of it and of the idea in general. Anton (talk) 20:01, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, also, we should maybe change the image and the caption. I added some light prose, but maybe it is not enough. Anton (talk) 20:03, October 26, 2013 (UTC)
Probably due for a re-re-re-re-rewrite. Keep going.                               Puppy's talk page11:05 26 Oct 2013
We don't have a standard welcome — Everyone on the Welcoming Committee is free to use their own variant — and perhaps each of us should have our own {{Oh Dear}} as well. I use the system's Oh Dear on a small sliver of new users I'd describe as Possibly Educable Near-vandals. I haven't cared to develop my own, but do indeed want new users whose edit is ill-advised to get feedback to that effect, and I am less concerned either that they might suffer trauma that would eventually lead them to cocaine, or that we are deprived of the world's very next Shakespeare, than that they learn as quickly as possible that someone thinks they're Not Doing It Right.
In many cases, I feed 'em my Welcome but followed by a personal note usually beginning, "Unfortunately, your first edit is a casualty," with an explanation why I reverted it, huffed it, banned them, or whatever. So my preference is not to devise a "better" one-size-fits-all solution but to wean people (including me) off of using {{Oh Dear}}. Changing the template itself would affect past "welcomes" and might baffle the few who noticed changes in wording to a scolding they had been given months ago. Spıke Ѧ 00:16 28-Oct-13

It should impact minimal past user as that template is supposed to be subst'ed, similar to our standard welcome. I agree this template should be used sparingly. I also agree if we're using it the editor has some potential - even if it is minimal.

The advantage with having a pro-forma like this is that users use these as a basis for creating their individualised templates, and for those users (like me) who don't go through and regularly welcome users, creating my own variant of this is a chore with very little purpose. In short, as we have a pro-forma, we should at least ensure that it covers what we need it to cover, and that it's the most welcoming it can be, while also pointing out that not all of the users edits have merit. (Given I don't recall an Oh dear being given to a user who became a contributing user - except as a joke - it's probably moot, but the ideal is still the same.)                               Puppy's talk page02:56 28 Oct 2013


All of the new user literature needs a re-write. What good is exposing a user to a guide that is so flooded with our inside jokes that we can barely make sense of it? BGBU, HTBFANJS and The Oh Dear template need work. They need to be actually written somewhat seriously (plenty of time for newbies to gain exposure to jokes etc later on) in order to avoid frustrated ragequits a few hours in resulting from "I don't know what the hell this site is talking about!" ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) Icons-flag-au 02:42, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

I did not think if this, actually. Thank you for your comment! Anton (talk) 11:49, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
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