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A little issue has come to my attention. Recently on one of the mirror sites that we have there has been a concerted effort to remove any links to Previously here there was a concerted effort to remove any links to the other mirror site we have, even to the point of referring to that mirror site as "illegal". While Wikia had said they were quite happy with keeping links to the mirror on user pages and in forums, the administration on one of those mirrors has decided that they wish to remove any links (literally) to the site here.

While I think it would be presumptuous to remove any links from user pages - where we've always said that apart from cyberbullying or spam we'll leave it alone - it may be an idea to consider removing links to mirror sites from any pages not in user space.

Rather than a vote, I just thought I'd put this out there for discussion.                               Puppy's talk page02:43 20 Jan

Which mirror site is this? ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) Icons-flag-au 03:04, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
The site launched on the 8th of January that mirrors all the content from here. and that is currently in the process of removing all links to this site. Also named Uncyclopedia, just to add to confusion.                               Puppy's talk page03:27 20 Jan
If you are refering to the reason all links are being updated is because it is confusing to be reading something and then click a link and arrive here. We are not doing this to remove any trace of this site we are doing it because it's confusing. Several of the links will remain because they have to link here due to context. I wish you'd also take my advice and stop seeking ways to make the fork fail and instead look for ways for this site to succeed. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) Icons-flag-au 03:39, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
Then why is it the text copies of links to here (like the text copy you typed above), links that are obvious external links, and links in user space is something that shouldn't be happening there then. But it is. I am looking for ways to have this site succeed - and having links saying "Staying here is stupid, so go to this fork instead" is going to kill what traffic we get. Or, as someone said very recently it is confusing to be reading something (here) and then click a link and arrive (t)here'.                              Puppy's talk page04:12 20 Jan
Ignoring Frosty being a dick, something he has said is extremely valid. By having our links removed from mirrors/forks is a way of trying to make this site fail. Also, having links from this site going elsewhere is damaging to this site. Based upon Frosty's opinion, and following his advice to try and make this site succeed, I'm more inclined to remove links to mirrors/forks from all pages - including user pages and forums. Having plain text - as he has reinstated above, after I redacted it as being completely contrary to the thrust of this forum - I'd be happy to see remain, however. I would also appreciate it if he also chose to stop trying to make this wiki fail and focus on improving the other one.                               Puppy's talk page05:13 20 Jan
What the actual fuck is your problem? What the heck good would it be if every diff, link to a previous version and whatnot on this site pointed to over there? Fucking useless. I am not doing it to make your site fail, I am doing it so everything is the way it should be so our site makes a bit of bloody sense. MadMax and I have spent hours cleaning up that mess and you say it's just to see this version fail? Are you too arrogant and stupid to see that it's no good having all our links pointing here when they aren't supposed to regardless of the fucking URL? I am also correcting them on other sites because no matter which way you look at it our version is currently hundreds of times more successful than this trainwreck of a wiki. Your userbase is tiny and is mostly made up of people who stayed out of petty contempt for it's users or the pathetically stupid belief we'll make and keep some sort of profit from it.
You lastly ask why I stayed a bit, well I have respect for Chief and Romartus and wish they'd come with us, but they have stated they don't want to. I don't want to sever ties with them because that's just plain rude. I also aimed to clean up your laughable misconceptions that We vandalized your site, that we are going to make and keep a profit and that what MadMax and I did was just done "to harm your wiki". You have absolutely no fucking idea what you are talking about.
But frankly I'm done with your laughable petty ideas Puppy, I don't want to correct them because I see it's pointless. I can't believe I once looked up to you. So long and thanks for all the fish. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) Icons-flag-au 05:41, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
Ignoring the tantrum above, I've used this as an opportunity to create an idea of what can be done for those that wish to link to an alternate site as opposed to this site. Having a quick look at Frosty's talk page history, I made a minor edit (and reverted immediately, of course, as I have no intention of editing anyone's user pages without their permission) to show what we could have as an alternative that allows people to continue to have a link to any site that they have decided to migrate to, while still keeping the traffic that comes to this site on this site.                               Puppy's talk page06:22 20 Jan
To clarify, many of the "external" links, probably 99%, were hard links that would make sense to link back to the wiki it is on. However, it appears that the mirror site has been removing links in userspace, to the point of edit warring the owner of the receptive userspaces. If that wiki is going to pretend that this wiki doesn't exist, there is no reason why we should be trying to send web traffic to their wiki. --Mn-z 07:28, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
There are enough people on the Fork site for some to appeal to good faith even as others are evidencing bad faith. We ought to be defending the mother ship. I would allow users who have left to have a link on their user pages in the case that someone wants to contact them; apart from that, we ought not use Wikia's resources to divert readers away from Wikia. Not ever; not the Fork, not YouTube. Also, our policy should not depend on, nor try to retaliate for, whatever the Fork chooses to do.
Separately, it is sad that people who have been collaborators and mature and impartial fellow editors for years amp up the rhetoric for the sake of being adversarial; Pup, try not to respond in-kind. But it is par for the course when one tactic used to stampede Uncyclopedians over to the fork was zeal at harming Wikia. Spıke Ѧ 14:34 20-Jan-13
I would agree, we don't need draconian rules against mentioning Free Uncyclopedia. That proves we are more mature than the other site. --Mn-z 17:18, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, we're more mature than you are. Nyer nyer nyer!                               Puppy's talk page08:11 21 Jan

On a related note

It appears that images of poop filled condoms are now allowed on Free Uncyclopedia. --Mn-z 13:53, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Oooh! I'm switching sides!!! Spıke Ѧ 14:34 20-Jan-13
i, for one, am thrilled. :D 05:11, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Peace be upon both houses...

Amen lol. Aleister 23:27 20-1-'13

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