Forum:Community vote: Stupidedia wants to join the Uncyclopedia project

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Stupidedia, the German humor and parody wiki that came before any of the Uncyclopedia projects in any language, wants to join us. I know what you're all thinking: there's already a German Uncyclopedia, albeit much smaller. Stupidedia and the German Uncyclopedia in the past have discussed merging, but nothing came of it. Stupidedia sees reproposing a merger as being the next step, after being brought into the project. You all know how it goes: Stupidedia will continue to run their own site, not us or any other foreign language Uncyclopedia project. Interwiki linking, inclusion on our babel page, and inclusion in the Foreign Office will be the only mutually-agreed actions taken by either site to help expand our wonderful project. This is not an attempt to kill the current German Uncyclopedia, who is being asked for their input. I believe that the two can exist mutually or, as I and the Stupidedians have said, come to an agreement about merging their communities and content. Now, I'm not sure if a community consensus is necessarily required in this matter; if it's not, then consider this an FYI and vote anyways. --EMC ^[TALK] 20:08 Jul 17 2010

Contents 1 VOTE! 1.1 For 1.2 Against 1.3 Discussion 2 QUERY! 3 Wait... 4 Don't do this 5 What would be the interwiki? 6 So, how do we solve this then? 7 Actually...

VOTE!

For

1. For. --EMC ^[TALK] 20:08 Jul 17 2010
2. Crazy German Scheiße Porn is always a good thing.     EugeneKay wuz here (whine thank)   20:13, Saturday 17 July 2010  
3. Über-For. I've been trumpeting the cause of a Greater German Uncyclopedia for years. —Unführer Guildy Ritter von Guildensternenstein 21:59, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
4. Seig Stupidedia The fatherland can be brought to new heights by this agreement. Aleister 22:27 17 7
5. The changes for us are so minimal that I would be remiss to not vote for, but it seems like what we decide should be entirely dependent on German-language Uncyc's decision, which is a lot more relevant. --This signature has been kaputted by odor of the fecking cabal. HATERZ GONNA HATE ASK ME ABOUT MY HUGE, MUTILATED PENIS 02:22, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
6. Deutschland, Deutschland Über Alles, Fuck Die Juden Aren't Germans lovely! -- Prof. Olipro KUN (W)Anchor Op Bur. (Harass) 02:27, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
7. For Now, can we split Uncyclopedia to Uncyclopedia and Hyperbolepedia? I think it'd be for the best. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 05:33, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
8. For This would be another great arsenal for Uncyclopedia's plans for world domination.--M'su Carencro - Talk - Contributions - Blag 06:06, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
9. für ...and the plans for world submission!
10. Ja. But tell them they'd better bring strudel for all of us. Rabbi Techno kvetch Contribs FOXES 09:44, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
11. Pacman. They have some big ass sigs. Che } 16:06,18July,2010
12. Pacman. Phwoar! SadisticWolf 19:49, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
13. This will help in our Uncyclopedia Article Construction Project. Linking our articles with the German version will be a big help. |Si Plebius Joe ang Kemador | GTC-ULLA IC Kill | 06:06, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Against

1. STRONG AGAINST. They come into this country not speaking a lick of English, taking our jobs, marrying our women, eating our food, walking our streets, driving our cars, breathing our air, buying our houses, voting in our elections, smoking our cigerettes- *goes on for some time* --nachlader 15:20, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

   This isn't something to kid much about. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 15:26, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

   1ne vote --nachlader 15:32, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

I'd like to see them come in, interwiki linked initially. The two German communities can figure out how/if to merge at a later time.... bringing them "in" is a great first step.     EugeneKay wuz here (whine thank)   20:13, Saturday 17 July 2010  

QUERY!

Does this actually have anything to do with us? Surely the English Uncyclopedia doesn't make decisions for all the other Uncyclopedias... does it? pillow talk 21:32, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

No, this simply affects our babel listing, our Foreign Office, and our interwiki linking. It also gives us, regardless of their license, the ability to translate their content and include on our site (though this is not an issue). Other Uncyclopedias' decision to do the same with Stupidedia is up to them, but there's no reason I can foresee as to why they would object. --EMC ^[TALK] 21:44 Jul 17 2010

Are we going to list two German sites in parallel? ~ 23:21, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

That's the plan, yeah. --EMC ^[TALK] 23:53 Jul 17 2010

Given that Stupidedia is several magnitudes larger than the German uncyc, I see this as a good thing with a long-term view of assimilating the smaller into the larger -- Prof. Olipro KUN (W)Anchor Op Bur. (Harass) 02:30, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

That's fine as long as someone talks with de.Uncyclopedia and asks them if they're OK with this step. Do we have a contact there? ~ 09:36, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, and I sent him an e-mail. --EMC ^[TALK] 10:39 Jul 18 2010

Hm, I didn't receive an email but I'm online anyway. I will start an opinion poll about this in German Uncyclopedia. I don't think it's a big deal and personally I'm in favour of it. Please be aware that nobody has proposed a merge between German Uncyclopedia and Stupidedia, both projects have a different style and I think that both wish to keep their styles and stay independent. And while I obviously think that de.uncyclopedia has much more quality, I have to admit that Stupidedia has much more visibility and many more contributors, and its quality has improved over the years. NaturalBornKieler (talk) 08:04, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, it's me again and our regulars have voted on this subject, voting 5 for, 7 against, and 2 abstain (see here) after a quite lively discussion. I didn't expect that but it seems most of our users and admins consider Stupidedia very much below our standards (Yes, we do have standards), and linking to it could draw more unwanted attention and spam than useful contributions. Oh well. NaturalBornKieler (talk) 19:53, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, one more thing. As far as I know, Stupidedia is a sort of commercial project, it has ad layers and the revenues go to the domain owner, who also acts as an admin on the wiki. Don't know if this fits with the rest of the Uncyclopedia project. NaturalBornKieler (talk) 20:01, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Really? Hmm... If he's pocketing ad revenue for himself he's violating the CC license... Of course, if he's using the money to pay for the hosting of the site or to advertise the site elsewhere and things like that then it's fine. That's what we intend to do with the revenue from the store (which has made a whopping $6. American.). Use the money to pay for the PLS and stuff (maybe running ads on other sites...). Do you know if he's pocketing the money or if he's actually using it run Stupidedia? MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 20:09, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Stupidedia does not use the CC License, it uses GNU FDL (see here). Regarding the money I of course cannot answer that since I don't know how much revenues there are, but it could be that it's more than he needs for hosting, since as I said Stupidedia has quite good visibility in all German speaking countries. I don't say he has a gold mine there or something, maybe I'm completely wrong, but I think you could ask them. NaturalBornKieler (talk) 20:23, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Wait...

We have an office? Are the chairs comfy? Do they swivel?It's Mrthejazz... a case not yet solved. 01:59, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

We're still working on getting chairs and desks. Right now it's just laptops and bean bag chairs. --EMC ^[TALK] 02:08 Jul 18 2010

Don't. Change. Anything. ^{Pirate Lord}__Sonic80 (Yell  •  Latest literary excretion) __ 02:21, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Do we have an intern who spends all day shredding papers and taping them back together just because we say so? Because if we don't, I don't consider it an official office. It's Mrthejazz... a case not yet solved. 02:24, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Please read the comment. We have a Foreign Office, which means wherever you live, our office is somewhere else. It's foreign. So nobody can actually come and use it, because it would then move. Think it through before asking such a question. Jeez. Aleister 2:30 18 7

Don't do this

Don't derail the discussion!!!!!! -- I  say 13:01, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

What would be the interwiki?

That's the only question I have regarding this. That and if an article is on both Stupidedia and the other German Uncyc, how would it display in the interwiki box? Would it simply show two "Deutsch" or what? MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 13:29, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

What I heard is that it would be still "Deutsch" for the German Uncyclopedia and "Deutsch (Stupidedia)" for the Stupidedia. Sounds good to me. NaturalBornKieler (talk) 08:04, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

So, how do we solve this then?

Seems that de.Uncyclopedia does not want to be connected with Stupidpedia. Any ideas? ~ 19:58, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Stupidpedia loses? ~ Apheori *shifty eyes* (talk) (stalk) -- 20100724 - 00:10 (UTC)

Well, I thought we were voting on whether or not to include interwiki links to Stupidedia here. de.Uncyc can suck it up. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 01:34, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

How do you know that, Dillo? Got a link or somethin for me? Eh? Eh? *pokes Mordillo with something fleshy* --EMC ^[TALK] 04:40 Jul 24 2010

DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS. --EMC ^[TALK] 04:44 Jul 24 2010

YEAH YOU DO! MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here

YOU ARE A COCKMONGLER. |Si Plebius Joe ang Kemador | GTC-ULLA IC Kill | 06:17, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Dex, you don't kick out an old established Uncyclopedia just like that. They clearly don't want this whole thing to happen, they've been a part of the project from the start, so we need to find a solution that everyone agrees on. Just because Stupidpedia is a bigger Wiki doesn't mean we automatically prefer them over de.Uncyc. ~ 08:54, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

But they gave me porn. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 08:55, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, that settles it then. ~ 09:34, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Actually...

While I don't object to the idea of Stupidedia joining Uncyclopedia, I'd want the community of the German Uncyclopedia to have their say in this. I mean, it's important to explore any reasons why Stupidedia shouldn't be included in the Uncyclopedia project before making any big decisions. Comparably, a great deal of Uncyclopedians would strongly disagree with the notion of other-language wikis having interwiki links to Encyclopedia Dramatica. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 20:26, 24 July 2010

Agreed, I think we might want to take the discussion actively over to De.Uncyclopedia. NBK, I hope you don't mind? ~ 21:00, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. You can continue in this thread or start a new one here. NaturalBornKieler (talk) 21:14, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

OK, left a message there. ~ 21:40, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to get some more people replying to your question. It seems some of the regulars are enjoying a vacation at the moment and don't feel the obligation to report to de.Uncyclopedia daily. If everything else fails I can also try to translate their German comments, but I'd rather they express it themselves. NaturalBornKieler (talk) 07:54, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Having looked again at ED, that is a place I wouldn't want anything to do with personally nor wish to be linked to via a third party either. --RomArtus*Imperator« (Orate) 09:03, July 30, 2010 (UTC)